Thread: Best procedure to 're-round' the pivot hole using brass sleeve insert?

Oh Good! I was wondering about that!

Another, easier approach perhaps is to insert a small pice of solid brass rod, peen it, file it, and then drill a hole through it.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Another, easier approach perhaps is to insert a small pice of solid brass rod, peen it, file it, and then drill a hole through it.

Would this be better than using a hardened epoxy with a hole? Or is it mainly preference?

I have a theory on those oversized holes in tangs. Lots, if not most, old Sheffies used no washers between scales and tang. As the razor is opened, the angled tang is swung around and the forces from it are applied to the scales in different places throughout the entire sweep of motion. A larger hole, regardless of shape, allows the blade to 'slip' to even out this pressure through the motion keeping the same pressure whatever the position is. I only bush a pivot when it is dictated by blade-to-wedge clearance. I figure they knew what they were doing with those big holes!

Originally Posted by sharptonn

I have a theory on those oversized holes in tangs. Lots, if not most, old Sheffies used no washers between scales and tang. As the razor is opened, the angled tang is swung around and the forces from it are applied to the scales in different places throughout the entire sweep of motion. A larger hole, regardless of shape, allows the blade to 'slip' to even out this pressure through the motion keeping the same pressure whatever the position is. I only bush a pivot when it is dictated by blade-to-wedge clearance. I figure they knew what they were doing with those big holes!

Back in they day, the razor makers were, IMO cranking out razors that may have cost $1, probebly quik and dirty work.
Punching a wierd shaped hole was maybe the norm,nobody cared.
But today we have the abilitys to make a perfect hole for a round pin,is only sound mechanics.
Doing a resto on a fine blade without sound mechanics (the proper pin and pivot hole, properly sized) is just plain wrong JMO

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Back in they day, the razor makers were, IMO cranking out razors that may have cost $1, probebly quik and dirty work.
Punching a wierd shaped hole was maybe the norm,nobody cared.
But today we have the abilitys to make a perfect hole for a round pin,is only sound mechanics.
Doing a resto on a fine blade without sound mechanics (the proper pin and pivot hole, properly sized) is just plain wrong JMO

And then another school of thought! Anyway, they cannot be seen, once pinned. I have had no issues leaving them alone.
After bushing lots and then not, I really see no difference. Seems bushing for the sake of....er....Bushing! JMO

Originally Posted by sharptonn

And then another school of thought! Anyway, they cannot be seen, once pinned. I have had no issues leaving them alone.
After bushing lots and then not, I really see no difference. Seems bushing for the sake of....er....Bushing! JMO

On my own restos,I cannot tolorate a blade that clicks back and fourth with a round pivot and a mishapen hole,is just my way.
we all do what we do.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

On my own restos,I cannot tolorate a blade that clicks back and fourth with a round pivot and a mishapen hole,is just my way.
we all do what we do.

Never heard an old Sheffield 'click' If pinned tightly. Yes. We all do what we do. In my restoration of certain razors of historical significance, things are left as they were. Things done are done like they were done originally. That is what SOME of us do, anyway. Anything CAN be done. Whether or not is IS done is up to the individual's desires. Just opined that it seems not necessary in most cases.
JMO

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Never heard an old Sheffield 'click' If pinned tightly. Yes. We all do what we do. In my restoration of certain razors of historical significance, things are left as they were. Things done are done like they were done originally. That is what SOME of us do, anyway. Anything CAN be done. Whether or not is IS done is up to the individual's desires. Just opined that it seems not necessary in most cases.
JMO

If pinned tightly, granted the blade will be fine, until the trust washers wear and the pivot becomes loose, may take 100 yrs.
Overtightning a pivot to compensate for an oversized hole is just wrong,IMO

Oh, Pixel?? I DID mention the absence of thrust washers in old Sheffields. I know not what you mean by overtightening a pivot to compensate for a "oversized" hole which is not oversized. It is the original hole put in by the maker which has been fine for 100+ years! It is just larger than you like 100+ years later as you see it out of the scales, that's all.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Fact: Old Sheffields came with punched irregular holes. You cannot argue that this statement is indeed true, or in other words, right! Nothing wrong about it, buddy!
Not the intention of this thread and certainly seems a futile subject with some.
I shall now 'wobble and click' out of this thread and take my huge, irregular pivot holes with me.
My apologies to the OP for my apparent role in derailing the original discussion!
Good Nite!