Thread: Modding / Restoration WIP

I'm sorry, but this is just trying to reinventing the wheel IMHO.

Your also using knife honing practices, on a razor,
razors take a more gentle approach than a knife.

The grip you show is wrong as well. Its only going to lead to downward pressure to the spine, excessive hone wear, and possible deep metal damage within the blade. Touch points are the edges of the tang, not the sides.

Do what you will, I can respect that. But I'd really like to see if you can make a set of scales, wedge, and pin it up.

You do some nice work on the fixed handles, transfer that to a set of scales...... Which by the way...were never designed to be used as handles for honing or shaving.

Their design was to protect the object within, like the scales of a fish, or reptile.

I just did a quick experiment and grabbed a razor and a hone off my desk.

It needs its bevel set any way so I am not hurting anything!

When I study my stroke the scales do shift slightly from the push to the pull stroke. Not a whole lot but from this quick peek I think that the pivot pin does does have a role to play in honing. These are relatively thin scales and not a thick handle so I think that the handle would have more influence.

Maybe this is how I learned and if I learned on a thick fixed handle I would have learned a different stroke?

Tim

I'm in agreement with the obove posts. You do some fine woodwork. But a razor is not used in that manner.

Originally Posted by outback

I'm sorry, but this is just trying to reinventing the wheel IMHO.

Your also using knife honing practices, on a razor,
razors take a more gentle approach than a knife.

The grip you show is wrong as well. Its only going to lead to downward pressure to the spine, excessive hone wear, and possible deep metal damage within the blade. Touch points are the edges of the tang, not the sides.

Do what you will, I can respect that. But I'd really like to see if you can make a set of scales, wedge, and pin it up.

You do some nice work on the fixed handles, transfer that to a set of scales...... Which by the way...were never designed to be used as handles for honing or shaving.

Their design was to protect the object within, like the scales of a fish, or reptile.

I'm not actually trying to hone a razor as you would a knife. I hone a razor as you hone a razor, and knives like knives. Neither are desperately complicated, but they are completely different.

Originally Posted by Gasman

I'm in agreement with the obove posts. You do some fine woodwork. But a razor is not used in that manner.

How'd you mean?

You do nice work but I'm afraid you won't convince guys here who have decades of razoring under their belts.
For me I have to feel like the scales are barely there. Even with wakamisori I prefer the rat tail tang unbound. As for something like the Williams Purist I hate what is to me a bulky tang.

As you say the hand & muscle memory can adapt to many things. Just no reason for me change what works.

As for advice, if you want to persist with the concept, look at the shapes of something like Feather razors. There was a vintage maker that did a razor with a solid handle,slim & tapered it was, but can't for the life of me remember the name. Maybe someone knows the one ? I guess that makes my point. A lot of 'new" ideas become forgettable when things ain't broke.

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I do like what you have done. It looks very nice. I would agree that a "fixed" handle makes it easier to hone, especially when removing nicks on the edge of the blade. When I am performing the restoration of a typically scaled razor I will take 2 popsicle sticks and place one on each side of the scales then wrap the electrical tape tightly around the popsicle stick/scales. This gives me rigid tang/scales that do not move while honing. Years ago I did not do this on razors that required a complete recovery of the edge and bevel. The result was that occasionally the pivot pin would work loose (or the scale would crack at the pivot pin) and require me to retighten the pivot pin. So, I am in complete agreement with you on the advantages of the "fixed handle" idea for honing.
As noted this is a variation on the Japanese Kamasori style which I find very attractive.

Good work!

In your pic of the 5 stones, I was puzzled by your statement that the 3rd stone was a Tam O'Shanter. All of the Tam's that I have are either grayish or whiteish in color with numerous small speckles. They are also very difficult to work up a slurry.
Might yours be a Water of Ayr?

Originally Posted by cotedupy

I'm not actually trying to hone a razor as you would a knife. I hone a razor as you hone a razor, and knives like knives. Neither are desperately complicated, but they are completely different.

The razor with pivoting scales, have been around for over200 years, as well as the teachings of honing them.

How are you going to fix something, that was never broken in the first place.

I'm in the group, that has sharpened knives, as well as many other edged tools n such, starting at a young age.

I was sharpening knives before I was 10 years old, and honing razors at the age of 17. I'm 53 years old, now.

Knives are child's play, in comparison to razors. But now after years of honing all types of razors from late 1700s to the present, makes them child's play as well.

With me.....your barking up the wrong tree, on honing and sharpening. I have no use for dull things...I'm my life.

But carry on, have fun with it. We've all done stupid, meaningless things, during our lives. I'm too, guilty as charged.

Maybe look more on the geometry of the kamisori, it would go great with your design's.

Originally Posted by randydance062449

In your pic of the 5 stones, I was puzzled by your statement that the 3rd stone was a Tam O'Shanter. All of the Tam's that I have are either grayish or whiteish in color with numerous small speckles. They are also very difficult to work up a slurry.
Might yours be a Water of Ayr?

I'm fairly certain it's a Tam, but I don't have a WOA so can't compare, though I did get it from someone who has a lot of expertise in terms of UK stones. And it certainly acts fairly similar to my other Tams, which are the more normal grey type.

Here's a better pic that shows it does actually have the Tam speckles, as well as a quite cool cloud-like pattern (that wasn't slurry on the stone), but I did certainly get it because it was a bit different. And at the risk of having a lot of people telling me I don't even understand the notion of beauty... I think it's rather pretty:



In G&H 3 there's a picture of the 'Dark Blue' type of Tam... it's that I think:



Cool huh!