Thread: Torx screw etc pivot pin question

Originally Posted by khaos

I've been lurking because I'm actually quite interested in this (still practicing/trying resto stuff in the background, just don't have much time) and something that's come up as a pro is possibly switching scales. And something I keep wondering is, unless you make your own scales, or can afford to have changing tastes, how many people actually do switch out their scales? Like I'm sure you custom guys can do it on a whim, but if I had to pay $30 for a set of scales I definitely wouldn't be doing it that often. My other issue is cleaning- and I will say that it would be nice to take apart the scales every year or so to wipe the blade down, but if you look at the 50+ year old razors on the bay, sure some look like **** but a lot of them really aren't that dirty/corroded so I wonder how necessary that is if you take great care of your blade.

It's not necessary to take a razor apart or switch scales for whatever reason you may have. And if you want to make sure you don't have those options, then standard peened pinning is a great choice.

Ok maybe the difference here is like Alex said "who is doing what",,,

I am not so sure that end users should be popping apart razors.. JMHO

As to taking razors apart with peened pins, I do that almost every single day... Ahhhh and that could be the rub, I do it almost every single day and I have the tools and talent to do it right....

I also have had to clean up a pivot hole very, very, rarely, I do sleeve the over size ones though..

We have gone way beyond what Chris asked in the first place though, which was how do you keep adjustables tight????

I leave that actual answer to those of you that use them, because my answer to that question, from my experience with them is a "Wrench" ....often...

Ah yes... keeping them tight. That's usually not a problem if they've been done well, but if it is, first thing to try is a little beeswax in the threads. Light loctite would also work.

Yeah, if you can't install them so they stay tight, then pinning is really the only practical alternative. Having to wrench on one regularly would be a pain in the ass.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I am not so sure that end users should be popping apart razors.. JMHO

As to taking razors apart with peened pins, I do that almost every single day... Ahhhh and that could be the rub, I do it almost every single day and I have the tools and talent to do it right....

Exactly. I also don't think it is hard at all. I do it all the time in my own way which ends up being simple. It is also my thinking that anyone who does custom work on a razor (i.e. putting on scales) should also take on the responsibility of taking scales OFF if it should be required/requested in the future. On razors that I've pinned I have no problem with this. I even have no problem with this on razors that someone else has pinned. Then again, I've never had to do it on a razor I've pinned (traditionally) for any reasons having to do with the pin needing tightening or replacement.

Well, that settles it. Whatever way we do it is the best way to do it.

I like the torx fasteners, I also like the pins. I have had to tighten my torx fasteners, I have had to peen my pins. I never really thought of the of tightening the torx screw or peening a big issue. I have not noticed the torx fasteners coming loose on a regular basis.

I am a razor nut looking for and excuse to play with my razors. Besides that torx screw heads look cool, but then again so do bulls eye washers.


Was that six of one or a half dozen of the other?

Charlie

I have a few knives that have the Torx screws at the pivot. Like Glen said, the Blue or Purple Loctite (or other brand) will work just fine, but like others said, these will require a bigger hole in the tang.

I'm not sure how I feel about them on razors...part of me thinks it's a great idea, but then part of me says "stick with the peened pins"

As the OP, I'm chuckling a little bit since my intent was not to spark a debate on the merits of pins versus screws. But, I enjoy listening to anything razor and workshop related so as far as I'm concerned, this post can run whichever way it goes. It's all good.

I asked the original question since I'm cookin something up in my little noggin and it's related more toward screws than pins. This idea bouncing around up there begs the question, should one want to use some sort of screw system that would NOT be adjustable when finished, can some form of the loctite be used to ensure, once proper tension is applied to the screw, that such tension stays that way permanently?

It sounds like the answer is: Yes?

Chris L

Originally Posted by ChrisL

As the OP, I'm chuckling a little bit since my intent was not to spark a debate on the merits of pins versus screws. But, I enjoy listening to anything razor and workshop related so as far as I'm concerned, this post can run whichever way it goes. It's all good.

I asked the original question since I'm cookin something up in my little noggin and it's related more toward screws than pins. This idea bouncing around up there begs the question, should one want to use some sort of screw system that would NOT be adjustable when finished, can some form of the loctite be used to ensure, once proper tension is applied to the screw, that such tension stays that way permanently?

It sounds like the answer is: Yes?

Chris L

Sure. You could always use 24 hour epoxy on the threads and tighten it to your satisfaction. But once the work-time is over, that'll be it and there will be no more adjustment.

Originally Posted by PapaBull

Sure. You could always use 24 hour epoxy on the threads and tighten it to your satisfaction. But once the work-time is over, that'll be it and there will be no more adjustment.

i like that thought
i dont put anythignin the threads so the end user can ajust to there liking how the pivot feels
i would use blue loctite or somethign like it and ot get the screws apart or to reajust all you need is to heat the screw up a bit (sodering iron works great for this)
i often heat the screws of a pivot on a folder just to make sure it will turn without stripping the head out