Thread: Triple stacked pins

so...what sizes work best if someone wanted to try more than one washer?

Originally Posted by tumtatty

so...what sizes work best if someone wanted to try more than one washer?

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order
#0W Brass
#0 SS
#0 Brass

You have to stack these correctly also to get the Beehive effect, dump a few of the washers on your workbench, note that one side is flat, and one side is rounded,,, Flat side goes toward the scale rounded side goes up...

My own experience is that three stacked washers are significantly taller than a vintage 'bullseye' washer...

It's all personal preference, but there is definitely a marked difference between the two.

Hi, my name is neil and I'm an al... sorry, wrong meeting - and I like both types!

Those old washers also had another, less obvious point - the pin was sometimes around 1/8th of an inch or so thick - a bit of a pain when you remove the washer and find a gaping great hole in the scale! I have been refurbing quite a few of these recently, and have had to stock up on wider pinning rods. They take a fair bit of walloping to mushroom the ends, so annealing is almost a necessity. Even if the thin bullseye washers have mushed down a bit, the pin certainly hasn't when it is greater than 1/16th. When you take into account that some of those old pins were steel, then the relative size-loss is even less.

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

I know it's personal preference, but I would highly recommend you check out what three stacked washers looks and feels like before you pin the razor. To me, and maybe only to me, the mountain of metal sticking off the scale is just too much. But I'm sure there are others that love the effect. You may not know till you handle it in person, though.

Originally Posted by BKratchmer

My own experience is that three stacked washers are significantly taller than a vintage 'bullseye' washer...

It's all personal preference, but there is definitely a marked difference between the two.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Hmmmm That's odd Dylan because I have found them to be almost identical to the mountain of metal that sticks out from the side of a Vintage W&B, but even then, there is more difference because the Vintage washers has been mashed down somewhat over the years but the triple stack hasn't ...I think they are still within 100th of an inch though if you measured, even inaccuratly... In fact that was what the triple stack was designed to emulate,, Or when you take the time to spin yer own, again designed to copy the old Bullseye/Beehive washers I am sure that some would disagree but that's just me...
Now if you just like the look of the old vintage washers that would be a personal preference in itself...

Reality -vs- Perception

When you imply and then state that something is so, then you have to realize that some of us are OCD and we are going to take the time and actually measure them...

Old W&B #1 with the Bullseye washers overall width = .438 width of scales .359 height of both washers .079
Old W&B #2 with the Bullseye washers overall width = .397 width of scales ..323 height of both washers .074


Measurements of 4 new Customs with Tri-Stacks

.481 oaw - .389 wos = height of both washers .092
.471 oaw - .378 wos = height of both washers .093
.492 oaw - .389 wos = height of both washers .103
.510 oaw - .415 wos = Height of both washers .095

Average height of both washers = .095 compared to the height of the W&B oldies .077 the overall difference = 0.018 /2

Comes out to be about 9/1000ths of one inch, so less than the 1/100th that I said it was...

Now granted I only had 2 W&B to measure and those razors are over 100 years old so the washers/pins are probably a bit beat on, but I would still stand on the "about 1/100th difference"... Even though a newer/less used W&B might show even less difference… To give this measurement some perspective, the paper in my printer is 7/1000th

See I actually did this about 4 years ago, to make sure that they were at least close, because to my eyes the TriStacks "looked" higher too, but I didn't trust my eyes I got out the calipers and checked that the oaw was coming up close.... So yes there is no real difference other than personal preference, and the "Mountains of Washers" on the sides of the razor are indeed about the same height, just the perception is different...

*I measured the wedge side of all razors, to lessen the effect of the tightening of the pins on the pivot side. These measurements relate to the Microfastener washers Brass #0W, #0, and SS #0, that most of us use.. They also are comparing mounted washers which is what really counts *....

I don't deal well with inches. Let's do percentages (for comparison). From my math the newer washers are something like 23% thicker than the old ones. Someone with a brain please double-check that.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Micro Fasteners - Hobbyists Source - Locknuts - Washers - Machine Screws - Fasteners - Rivets - Wood Screws

order
#0W Brass
#0 SS
#0 Brass

You have to stack these correctly also to get the Beehive effect, dump a few of the washers on your workbench, note that one side is flat, and one side is rounded,,, Flat side goes toward the scale rounded side goes up...

i know this may be a silly question, but the #0 Brass and #0 SS will be exactly the same except the color/metal, correct? for some reason I thought the width was different on all three...

Originally Posted by ryanjewell

i know this may be a silly question, but the #0 Brass and #0 SS will be exactly the same except the color/metal, correct? for some reason I thought the width was different on all three...

Width is different on all 3. The SS #0 is slightly wider than the brass #0.
Not meaning to confuse things but there is also a narrow #0 SS which is less wide than the brass #0.

Originally Posted by onimaru55

Width is different on all 3. The SS #0 is slightly wider than the brass #0.
Not meaning to confuse things but there is also a narrow #0 SS which is less wide than the brass #0.

And the washers from Fastener Express, which is another great place to get washers, are all different OD's as well. They run much smaller - more like vintage washers.

Thanks for the pic Glen. I'd never seen nor heard of triple stacked washers. I really was picturing a "mountain of metal" jutting out both sides. Looked terrible in my mind's eye. lol.