i would say those have a bit more work needed than just a honing.......i would suggest as will MANY of the other Senior Members to AVOID eBay till you get a handle on straights and what to look for! there are some great deals in the Classifieds section on this sight and most of the razors will come to you Shave Ready! there is currently a razor $45 shave ready razor on there right not that would be a GREAT place to start. In the end its your money but i wouldn't get those as starters!