Thread: The difference in 4k bevel setting and the differences to look for.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

I've only attempted 2 razors while didn't shave well at all, and feel silly that I can get a great edge using other methods but the easiest method I don't know squat about. So I develop a white line at the edge looking from the side of the razor.. I feel like once you see this you are SOL (overhoned) and must reset the bevel.

Not really. A shiny line can be an incomplete bevel. You will not easily see it at 1k as all the scratches can hide the reflected light. You can also develop a slight convexity at the early stones that will become obvious at the finisher when the bevel is shinier ie the edge is not honed straight away, especially if your pressure is too heavy. Hone lighter than you think you need too & the edge will always sharpen up.
White line can also be a burr, small or otherwise. Often cleans up on the next stone. Hard to assess any of this without a good loupe .

I have only had these naniwas for a day so I didn't excpect to nail an edge.. But to at least get something shaveable...
Yeah , Nahh ... going to synthetics from natural has its challenges too.

What are the main differences between a 1k and 4k bevel set. Bevel set or edge restore ?
How do you know the bevel is set on the 4k? A bevel set simply means the next stone will improve the edge,regardless of stone used.. The 4k will show your faults at the 1k & the 8k the same of your 4k
Because at th 1k I can pop hair a few mm above skin but after 4k nothing.. As above. popping hair does not mean the bevel is optimal. You have to determine what it means to you, like the infamous HHT.
Because the edge gets smoother? Less toothy? And that sharpness won't come back around till 8k?
I'm curious. Strop your edge at 4k & see what happens.

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Originally Posted by onimaru55

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Oz, thank you very much. That cleared up a lot of what I was wondering.. That white line along the edge showed up at my 8k which I was finishing on.. I really feel the shaves from edges that I have developed this on are extremely rough. I've got a loupe but really find when I rely heavily on scratch patterns I get this white line.

As to the edge restore or bevel set. I mean I get a crappy shaving edge and want to start from ground 0 so I joint and now I want to hit the 4k to set the bevel. If the bevel is really mangled I'll hit 1k without a doubt.. I mean a light bevel reset.

I'll have to try another razor and shave off the 4k.. I took that razor on a trip with me this weekend and brought no back up razors... Uh oh.. I killed the edge and used the two barber hones I brought along to whip up a shave ready edge. I digress,

I've got the perfect razor at home that needs a bevel set on the 4k.


Once again thank you.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

Oz, thank you very much. That cleared up a lot of what I was wondering.. That white line along the edge showed up at my 8k which I was finishing on.. I really feel the shaves from edges that I have developed this on are extremely rough. I've got a loupe but really find when I rely heavily on scratch patterns I get this white line.

Sometimes a few light strokes on the 8k or finer can remove it , sometimes not. Depends on its causation

As to the edge restore or bevel set. I mean I get a crappy shaving edge and want to start from ground 0 so I joint and now I want to hit the 4k to set the bevel. If the bevel is really mangled I'll hit 1k without a doubt.. I mean a light bevel reset.
I did a restore on a kamisori other day & found the bevel was not set at the toe. I went back to 2k but the wear on the blade meant I would have to remove a lot more steel . I muted the point which saved creating a lot of wear. You do what you gotta do.

I'll have to try another razor and shave off the 4k.. I took that razor on a trip with me this weekend and brought no back up razors... Uh oh.. I killed the edge and used the two barber hones I brought along to whip up a shave ready edge. I digress,

I've got the perfect razor at home that needs a bevel set on the 4k.


Once again thank you.

No probs .

Originally Posted by onimaru55

No probs .

I was under the assumption there was some special voodoo magic about 4k bevel setting. Funny, now it's just like a 1k bevel set only the edge is more refined so some of the felt tpt sensations will be different(of course). I think I just haven't tpt a 4k edge in my life or an 8k edge but I'm very fond of my 1k and finished edge tpt sensations, this is where my trouble lies.. Lookie here.. I'm figuring stuff out