Thread: Iwasaki - breadknifing - Jim Rion - translation correction

Tell you what, that guy, whoever he is, ain't lapping none of my stones ! I'll say no more about that.

I think that demonstration beginning at the 9 minute + mark explains the 2mm movement portion of Iwasaki's text. So while he is moving fore and aft with the one motion, he is also moving sideways. A picture really is worth a thousand words, particularly a moving picture. Many thanks to Randy for bringing the corrected translation, and Oz for the video.

May I add that if anyone wants to discuss alternative methods or the pro & cons of jointing that they please start a separate thread.

This thread was to discuss what Iwasaki said about jointing and the answer is .....

NOTHING!

Originally Posted by randydance062449

May I add that if anyone wants to discuss alternative methods or the pro & cons of jointing that they please start a separate thread.

This thread was to discuss what Iwasaki said about jointing and the answer is .....

NOTHING!

Two separate discussions as you rightly point out. I think what iwasaki said was cleared up long ago in another thread and the separate discussion of the pros and cons of jointing have been discussed at length already too.

Originally Posted by Steel

Two separate discussions as you rightly point out. I think what iwasaki said was cleared up long ago in another thread and the separate discussion of the pros and cons of jointing have been discussed at length already too.

The reason this thread was created is that recently there have been a number of people promoting the use of jointing and using Iwasaki as justification and I wanted to clear that up ...again.

Originally Posted by randydance062449

The reason this thread was created is that recently there have been a number of people promoting the use of jointing and using Iwasaki as justification and I wanted to clear that up ...again.

Your intent was clear Randy. Thank you for reopening and clearing this up...again.

Originally Posted by Steel

I think what iwasaki said was cleared up long ago in another thread

I'm not sure to which thread you are referring; but unless by "long ago" you mean something around a month ago, the merging of the joining/jointing concept with Iwasaki has been ongoing until as recently as then.

Originally Posted by Utopian

the merging of the joining/jointing concept with Iwasaki has been ongoing until as recently as then.

I wonder who started that whole thing, they two different concepts.

Originally Posted by mainaman

I wonder who started that whole thing, they two different concepts.

"Killing the edge" goes back to the old days of the "Restore Chat Room" it was an accepted practice after the Buffers or Sanding at the bevel restoration stages.

Then the next mention that moved it into the realm of "Honing" was Bart and the Coticule guys, and even then it was at the bevel setting stage

That painful vid from the Shapton guy moved it into the high grit ranges using some ideas from tool honing

After that the Iwasaki misrepresentation has moved the idea into normal honing regimes

What is being talked about now is an adaptation of Cross-honing, as a way to eliminate deeper stria and again is old news..

The original post, 2 years ago, (Hone a Straight Edge or to a Straight Edge, and Side Stroke, Side Honing Revisited) had nothing to do with Iwasaki and the translation of his writings, other than it was an impetus to the question asked in the first post, about side honing.

The Jim Rion correction was posted in the original thread, 2 years ago,

The Iwasaki/jointing connection was brought up and the translation was well agreed upon and settled in that thread, 2 years ago. It was not a big deal and really, only a small side issue in the thread.

What Iwasaki said, meant or how Jim translated it, had nothing to do with the thread, which was a question, asking for Opinions about, side honing. Only one person has continued to beat that drum for 2 years…

It was not an issue then, and still is not an issue today. As I said, this same information was posted in that thread 2 years ago, and most who posted in the thread agreed on the revised translation, others could care less.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Tell you what, that guy, whoever he is, ain't lapping none of my stones ! I'll say no more about that.

Why not Jimmy? He's chamfering the sides as he laps