Thread: Shapton Glass or Naniwa?

Y'know Tom, I don't sharpen knives so I don't lap anything lower than 1K. I have the 325 diamond plate if I do have to go to that low a grit and the 600 so there is no lapping on those.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Tom, you sir, I believe, coined a new term that I love. "Honester". I view a Honemeister as someone who is utterly accomplished in all aspects of razor honing. "Honesters" are the rest of us aspiring Honemeisters.

I'm a Honester and proud of it! Very cool.

Chris L

Hell, at this point I'm just trying to pass as a honer!

If folks don't mind my re-hijacking my thread back to its original destination. . .

So is there a consensus that since I have a Naniwa 12k, I'd be better off with lower grit Naniwa stones, rather than the less expensive Shapton Glass?

You would be better of with a lower grit hone.

Ultimately it is your journey- what made you choose the one you have?

The differences between one name and another are largely subjective.

~Switching between hard and soft stones can cause problems if one should begin to treat them same.
~Using very hard stones could be problematic for an inexperienced whetman. ......well, these things have happened to me

-there is always compromise and a general lack of universality when it comes to hone stones.

Another thing to consider is the ease of polishing out the previous grit's scratch pattern. I don't know how aggressively (deep) the Shaptons cut, but if it's more than the Naniwas, it might take longer to remove the scratches on the 12k.

(FWIW, I recently got 5,8,12k superstones & am seriously considering adding a 1k because it takes forever to remove the striations from the D8E (my current bevel setter) on the 5k. Right now, I use 6 um lapping film on glass to clean the blade up before the 5k--kind of a waste of steel, but those scratches are deep.

Off topic, but has anybody else noticed how thirsty the 12k is (it really sucks up water when honing)?

EDIT TO THE ABOVE:

I went ahead & got the 1K as well--I like it. It doesn't seem to eat the spine as much as the D8E did. Makes the job on the 5K faster as well without those deep scratches to polish out.

My original 12K was defective--SRD exchanged it for a new one which works perfectly. They now come in kind of a greyish-pink color.

Tom is the professional series really made a polymer binder?
Cause I've read today that: "The stone is fired to a high temperature with a mixture of fine #X000 abrasive and a clay binder."

It has been a while since you asked but I will answer to this.
I talked to a lot of people and some german retailers awhile ago
when I bought my professional 2k and 5k and I was assured they were resin bond.
Since resin is a polymer you are right.
Naniwa SS are resin bond as well, but there are so many types of resin and mixtures that still they aren´t compareable.

my 12k sucks up water but once it has sucked up water i find water lays on hone a lot better just sray hone untill it holding on surface. Have you noticed how nice and smooth the 5k is i find my razors glide esily on 5k compared to 8k /12k?

I got the 1k, 3k, 5k, 8k and 12K Nani's. The 1,3 and 5k seem to perform as expected. The 8 and 12k, however, I have just about quit using. They both seem to produce these black dots on the surface and the blade skips over them. They are kind of sticky. I have to re-lap constantly to remove them, and have just given up. Yes the 12k sucks up a ton of water and never stops.

Ray

Originally Posted by rayman

I got the 1k, 3k, 5k, 8k and 12K Nani's from SRD. The 1,3 and 5k seem to perform as expected. The 8 and 12k, however, I have just about quit using. They both seem to produce these black dots on the surface and the blade skips over them. They are kind of sticky. I have to re-lap constantly to remove them, and have just given up. Yes the 12k sucks up a ton of water and never stops.

Ray

My 8k works just spiffy and no black dots. I haven't used the 12k yet but I will give it a go. You ought to PM Lynn and Utopian and see if they are having similar results with their Naniwas.