Thread: What to use to slurry on the finest hones?

I've also got a D4E "Diamond Sharpening Stone" in a couple of different grits for sharpening pocket knives. These are 4" long and 1/4" thick x 7/8" wide. They are pretty handy to have around and come in coarse, fine and extra fine. They call it a 'stone' but it is a piece of steel with the plating and the embedded diamonds like their larger plates we know and love.

Originally Posted by Lesslemming

well I am thinking of slurrying some 20k+ japanese naturals, and Eshers
6k and tripoly both wouldn´t be good enough

The dmt-card system sounds quite nice. But I am not sure,
because they are just 1mm thick

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? faster polishing? I think faster is not as good as the slower route for polishing, it tends to make the edge a bit less sharp, smooth but less sharp.

If you want a slurry on a finishing stone, why not just get some super fine powder and dust a wet stone?

I have used Linde A compound on a Chinese hone, and produced a MUCH smoother edge than I had with the Chinese hone and water....the Linde A is a 0.3 micron "sapphire powder" which is better known as Aluminum Oxide.....Of course you could always use chrox, cerium oxide, diamond powder, any high grit honing powder from ebay, or whatever else and get a similar result.

Originally Posted by Smokintbird

If you want a slurry on a finishing stone, why not just get some super fine powder and dust a wet stone?

Good idea. There is a video somewhere of Bart honing with chrom ox on a BBW. I've seen others suggest the chrom ox on the chinese 12k but I've not tried any myself.

Other than the Escher, coticule or bbw I've done without the slurry. As Christopher and others have said slurry is sort of a two edged sword. IOW, it will cut faster but dulls the edge somewhat requiring more work with the water only. It has it's place but I only use it if I feel I need it. YMMV

Originally Posted by Lesslemming

well I am thinking of slurrying some 20k+ japanese naturals, and Eshers
6k and tripoly both wouldn´t be good enough

The dmt-card system sounds quite nice. But I am not sure,
because they are just 1mm thick

I am confused, DMT is a diamond plate, it does not get thinner with time, just eventually(after a loong time) the diamond coating will wear off.

no, I am not worried the dmt will wear down, but I am worried it will eventually get sucked to the hone and I have a hard time getting it off,
because at 1mm I think theres nothing to grab (that was my initial question)

The reason I want to slurry up the hones is... well why not?
I came to like the slurry feeling and sometimes it gives me a better edge than without.
My esher for example, a very, very thin slurry improved the edge, for me.
This doesn´t work on my bbw, of course.
But considering that I am going to buy a j-nat;
I always slurried those. This enhances the feeling I get when honing.
It´s not to speed things up, wich it does, but rather to make it more enjoyable.
I can always finish without slurry, afterwards.

The polishing compound on a hone, I don´t like that.
It´s like I am stropping on the chromium oxide.
I did it with a C12k and Ironoxide (0.09µm) and I didn´t like it.
It´s just not a slurry, it´s coloured abrasive water,
if you get me

I tried to get one of the smaller DMT hones in extra fine,
but they don´t carry them in germany.
All I can get is 600 wich I feel would be too coarse for my purpose.

I have been experimenting with slurries alot these days
and I came to apreciate it. I don´t do it with every hone,
but I like it on my Naniwa SS 10k.
It fastenes things up, and after 10 more regular water X-strokes I get a nice silent hht

Everything depends what type final finishing hone do you have?
you can use in any Escher's and Some nakayama(don't have many of them) chinese 12 . Someone sells in classified cheap. what happens chinese 12k is harder then most finishing hones that is why slurry comes off from hone not chinese stone.
Another choose dmt 1200 is a risky i wouldn't do that . at first it is fine but when time goes one dmt shows off it is - characters.
nagura don't use it . it is very course then most final finish hones. hope this helps.

Benny what if you bend the credit card dmt a little?
I hate that "sucking onto" phenomenon as well, so I try to round my rubbers off a little or use them with their chamfered edge.

damn, so I have to make descissions again
Well maybe I try what olivia said and look how it turns out

Not long ago I bought an old Norton barber hone that came in the box with a rubbing stone and instructions. I am at work now so I cannot post a photo.

The instructions said not to lay the rubbing stone flat when creating slurry. Rather to use the edge. So I have begun to do this with all of my slurry stones.

In the case of the credit card diamond plate 'slurry stone' I am holding it at 30 or 40 degrees rather than rubbing the plate flat on the hone. No stiction and works well.

I didn't read all the other replies, but If your getting a Japanese Natural, I wouldn't even consider rubbing a DMT on it to build a slurry. I have a Nakayama I got from O_S, and it came with a slurry stone which I hardly use. It's a finisher, and I don't mind doing a few extra stokes. If you need to use a slurry, use a lower grit stone. If you take a DMT diamond plate to your expensive Japanese nat. everytime you use, your just wasting expensive hone...Don't do that....