Thread: Tanslucents Slurried With......

I was hoping a few members will dust off some of their Arkansas Translucents would be willing to try some slurries off thier Translucents.

What Works So Far:
Nakayama-Kita Asagi-Maruichi stone and Esher.Both of these stone produced a relatively very quick finish on three different razor edges to the point of me feeling like it was too good to be true. All razors were previosly finished up to 8k level.

i.e each stone slurried ON the Arkie produced edge similiar to slurry dononr stone.
Nakayama slurry on Arkie felt like Nakayama edge etc.




What Did Not Work:
Slurries made with diamond file size hone. Any slurries made from the parent translucent sped up swarf formation, but the edge delivered was sub par.

Not All Translucents Are Equal. I have one translucent fro Hall's that I got for tools. It is a translucent but not a waxy looking one but on the white side. Of course color has nothing to do with it, but the point is that this stone is good for faster bevel work with Norton Prep Stone for slurry on tools, it has not given me the same results as a stone from Dan's that is much finer.

What interests me the most as far as razor applications is the fact that each edge comes off consistantly and at least as good as any I have made off the parent donor stones and quickly. Also and maybe most important in my mind is that I have never seen a stone transform in finish and speed as the translucents worked this way. It could hve to do with harder abrasive anchoring in on the softer silicate translucent. This makes sense both intuitively to me and scientific.The fact that the translucent stone is so physically hard, but will yeild to harder minerals makes a very unique platform to hone on.

Only light slurries were made on top of very smooth finished translucent and hone until dry. It was very quick, and....if anyone else decides to try, you can tell us what you think. A light stropping on leather afterward.
Edge looked incredibly uniform under magnification and took on apparence of donor slurry stone.

I love slurry experiments! If I had an Arkansas stone to try this out I would be posting a response by tonight.

will speed up but edge fines will not change to best.
it is not easy to make slurry because it is oil stone.
You can use with water but you are not using max potential of the stone.
hope this helps.

I imagine the slurry you made with your Escher/Japanese stones was NOT Arkansas slurry, but Escher/Japanese slurry.

As I understand it, Arkansas is made of packed crystals, not fine particles in a binder matrix--so when you use a diamond plate, the particles you release will only be as small as the grit of the plate allows them to be--i.e. not very fine at all.

Originally Posted by JimR

I imagine the slurry you made with your Escher/Japanese stones was NOT Arkansas slurry, but Escher/Japanese slurry.

As I understand it, Arkansas is made of packed crystals, not fine particles in a binder matrix--so when you use a diamond plate, the particles you release will only be as small as the grit of the plate allows them to be--i.e. not very fine at all.

Yes the slurry is definately the other stones and not the arkie. It works better with softer stone donors. i.e. the very hard asagi does not leave much if anything behind.Matter of fact it feels like clash of the titans and I do not want to stress out my best stone surface. The softer Maruichi stone leaves a slurry the same color.

I know you are not a diamond nagura fan Jim, and on the arkie I am with you 100%.

Sham I realize this is not the intended use of an Arkansas stone, but that is what makes it interesting. I get a very smooth edge off translucent but much it takes some time by itself.
With slurry it is much faster and it feels like the edge of donor stone and makes me happy that I can use my Arkansas stonein a similar way as very hard Jnats are used. Try it and see.
What I like best is you can get a very fine edge this way that feels like the slurry stone.

Disburdan, the stone I am using is a "2nd" 8-2-1/2 Dan's Trans that I got for less than 50 dollars of an internet vendor. I am having Dan make me up a full size bench Translucent I like it so much. Arkies can still be had at very reasonable prices relative to other naturals that many here use.

I would love to try it with Naguras too. I have another stone I use for carving tools that I use a Norton Prep stone and it puts the Arkansas on steroids. I need and learned on very hard stones, because these tools rip up soft stones quick. I wish Stefan would try with his nagura selection to compare edge to his slurried Tomae.

Your experiment reminds me of some that were done with the Spyderco hones using various slurries. I used a natural nagura and some garnet. In both cases the hone functioned as a substrate to hold the slurry abrasive. Robert Williams did the same with diamond paste/powder. I would suspect that any number of different rocks/hones would function the same way as long as they are relatively hard. Essentially what is being done is to use various materials as a substrate to hold an abrasive. Historically leather, linen/canvas/felt, wood and now stone have been used. The manmade hones and materials are next.

We do have a lot of tools that we can use!

Kingfish how does the edge compare to the translucent without slurry?? i was thinking of using soft or hard to create slurry on a surgical black now i'm thinking that would just be like using the donor by itself,like using the hard to form slurry on the black would just be like using the hard by itself if it will create slurry,do you think a translucent would create slurry on a translucent?? another thing i was thinking of was using a matching slurry stone like soft on soft hard on hard etc,haven't found my broken peice of soft to try on my soft yet but do you think something like that will work??

i went back and read your OP. At first time i didn't read and thought you are trying to make slurry on Ark and use it.
In fact what you have tried is using Arkansas and different slurry stones.
in your case it is escher and Japanese stone.
The idea is same as One stone sharpening i have posted long time ago or recently i am not Sure Lynn or Glenn posted.
what are you doing is using arkansas as a flat surface(not 100% but similar to it)
Now arkansas stones are novoculate and when you do use them blade cuts the stone.
Lets say molecules(just call this way for simplicity) join together.
when your blade moves it doesn't move whole molecule from each other but it cuts some portion of it.
lets say you have 1mm(example) size molecule as a slurry now.
after this that 1mm molecule will never change the size. it will stay in there and even doesn't have any sharpening quality.
In the other hand your slurries Japanese slurry will get smaller and smaller by using it more.

By using your arkansas stone and Japanese stone you will have finer edge compare to Arkansas stone alone edge
But
you will have worse edge compare to Japanese stone edge.
(lets say you do have japanese sharpening stone)
if you do have just Japanese stone slurry only then your method is good to go.
hope i was clear enough.
this is the video which i posted long time ago. Basically i used different girt slurries and made blade shave ready from scratch.
YouTube - ONE stone sharpening1