Thread: Counterfeit Solingens

Originally Posted by zib

Not the usual Paki stuff an experienced eye can detect right off, but in an ebay auction pic, good enough to create bidding. There is no end to these con artists and they're getting better at reproducing their sh**.

Emerson Knives has seen an increase in counterfit blades. There's a website where people get into the frauds, and a lot of it is very minor fit & finish details. The logo on the blades is practically a direct copy. So, there may be more to it than someone slapping scales on a Paki blade with a manufacturer emblem from a defunct company. This may be a sophisticated group of folks manufacturing very good... "replica" items.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

This is interesting. Jimmy can you post picture of your same razor's i wanna see. Please.

Your wish is my command Sham Note the blued tang on the vintage Special and on the Leaders as well.

JIMMY Thank you for pictures i do appreciate very much.
Unfortunately i have to say they are not fake ones. it is original blade .
check out your last picture and picture on this action from right to left 3 rd.
you will see F. S G AND on your picture is exact same and same distance. there is no way (99%) someone will do that.end of the text is same too.
about color of the tang you are right Jimmy but it could be cleaned up.
My personal opinion.
will help if you Jimmy check picture in the action and 3 rd and your blade see how close they are.
In the other hand if someone does such a great fake why not make original ones?
wonder?

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

JIMMY Thank you for pictures i do appreciate very much.
Unfortunately i have to say they are not fake ones. it is original blade .
check out your last picture and picture on this action from right to left 3 rd.
you will see F. S G AND on your picture is exact same and same distance. there is no way (99%) someone will do that.end of the text is same too.
about color of the tang you are right Jimmy but it could be cleaned up.
My personal opinion.
will help if you Jimmy check picture in the action and 3 rd and your blade see how close they are.
In the other hand if someone does such a great fake why not make original ones?
wonder?

I agree Sham that the stampings on the ebay blades are spot on. As I said before they might be older NOS blades that someone found. OTOH, having a stamp made is quite possible and I'd never seen an FWE with jimps. They might be real though, if I was going to counterfeit blades it would be Fillys, Pumas or dubl ducks. As great a razor as they were FWE is not that well known a brand AFAIK.

So this allegation is based on the fact that a razor was purchased, and was not able to be honed?


I had one of those too, it was a vintage Sheffiled, and some guy had apparently ruined the temper during their "restoration" process.


I doubt it was a counterfeit, just a dud.

Perhaps all 20 razors were/are from a rejected lot fropm FWE? Perhaps they are the "real deal", but not up to snuff?


Anyhow, I have, and will always continue to sell only the finest made in Shanghai Gold Dollars money can buy! Accept no substitutes!

i hope this seller on ebay isn't selling counterfeit razors. i brought a carl schlieper for a decent price. i have not shaved with it yet as i am new to straight razors and wouldn't be able to hone it myself. so i can't really comment on the quality.

Originally Posted by ben.mid

The souvenir of Solingens are quite common as 7 day sets. I've never heard anything bad said about them. That would be really making the effort to counterfeit if they go as far as rusting them too!

Thanks Ben that's relieving.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

JIMMY Thank you for pictures i do appreciate very much.
Unfortunately i have to say they are not fake ones. it is original blade .
check out your last picture and picture on this action from right to left 3 rd.
you will see F. S G AND on your picture is exact same and same distance. there is no way (99%) someone will do that.end of the text is same too.
about color of the tang you are right Jimmy but it could be cleaned up.
My personal opinion.
will help if you Jimmy check picture in the action and 3 rd and your blade see how close they are.
In the other hand if someone does such a great fake why not make original ones?
wonder?

Bud although not razor related it's related to subject at hand, Mugen ( Moogen ) Japanese tuning company for Honda manufactures RNR wheels that run $1500. Rota ( Philippine company ) IIRC bought the molds to manufacture the likeness to Mugen and more as did Tenzo R. The wheels run for $450. The difference in quality is that Mugen like many companies such as Rays Engineering ( Volk Wheels ) their wheels are forged instead of cast aluminum alloys. When turning hard into corner should the wheel give out it bends instead of cracking. For diehard JDM "fanbois" they frown on the Rota guys.

These fanbois in general are nothing more than poseurs who garage their rides and don't even track their Civics. I personally would spend 1500 on B series if I were modding a Honda and spend 400xx on knock off wheels.
The point being, I think it lies with fact that it offers those who can't spend much on these items and would settle for less. Carry on...

Umm, so what was the consensus here -- does anyone believe that pita_60 is a source of fake blades? Because like a jerk, I just won what I thought was kind of a nice Gotta 8/8 that they were selling (minty, of course), and now you guys have me spooked!

Just out of curiosity, why again would a counterfeiter bother with a brand like FWE when the market would be so much larger for a fake but passable DD, Puma or Filly? I mean, counterfeiters aren't trying to reach the tiniest, most discerning segment of the marketplace. They are looking for frenzied, inexperienced buyers, and lots of them. It seems to rule out brands like FWE, or maybe that's just my naive understanding of this process.

Originally Posted by JeffE

Umm, so what was the consensus here -- does anyone believe that pita_60 is a source of fake blades? Because like a jerk, I just won what I thought was kind of a nice Gotta 8/8 that they were selling (minty, of course), and now you guys have me spooked!

Just out of curiosity, why again would a counterfeiter bother with a brand like FWE when the market would be so much larger for a fake but passable DD, Puma or Filly? I mean, counterfeiters aren't trying to reach the tiniest, most discerning segment of the marketplace. They are looking for frenzied, inexperienced buyers, and lots of them. It seems to rule out brands like FWE, or maybe that's just my naive understanding of this process.

I am talking out my hat here, but I really doubt that there is a counterfeiting operation going in in regards to straight razors.

It is such a niche market to begin with, I really just don't see it. Sure, guys may have recieved dud razors, but I've recieved brandy new Dovo's from reputable dealers that were a POS. Does that mean they were/are counterfeit?

Congrats on the 8/8 Gotta. I was going to go for that one myself, looks super-nice but decided I better save money and buy some Christmas gifts for the wife & kids instead of adding to my stable.....

Seraphim, I didn't know you were also bidding. Sometimes I think that all of the decent razors on eBay get sold to the same 20-30 guys here -- like, maybe we buyers chould get get together ahead of time here and decide who wants which blade the most! Could save a LOT of money in the long run . . .

Anyway, I hope it's a decent blade, and it certainly has a nice look to it. I like reading the comments here about "fake this" and "Paki that," but I've never seen one either.

For what it's worth, I've also got one of those FWEs with the old style scales. It's definitely authentic, in super shape, and even has the original bluing on the tang. And it looks pretty much like the "suspected" FWE shown above.

Hope everyone else had a good weekend!