Thread: the exaggerated art of straight razor shaving; begginner's adivce

Originally Posted by Edwardd

Wow thanks for the threat and insult!You and your gang are a real inspiration.I've used the library and do not interact becauase of turds like you...............

Edwardd, I didn't see any posts by you on this thread until the one quoted. I'm in Forest Grove, living among Oregonians, both native born and adopters of this beautiful state. I am one of the adopters. In the almost 40 years I have lived in this state, with but an exception of one, all the people I have met have been open, friendly and possessors of a good, welcoming, sharing nature. Why the sudden victrolic outburst? I would like to understand.

Edwarrd? It that YOU?

Mods, is this thread done yet?

Originally Posted by Edwardd

Wow thanks for the threat and insult!You and your gang are a real inspiration.I've used the library and do not interact becauase of turds like you...............

Edwardd, after discovering the type of interactions you have in the seedy and pervert corners of the internet, I am very thankful that you have indeed spared us from them and that will now be permanent.
Feel free to continue using this site as read-only, we've created the Library for anybody who needs it, but participation in the community is contingent on one's capability for civil social interactions.

My 1st attempt at SR shaving about 35 years ago taught me about nicks and razor burn. I impulse bought a vintage SR at a flea market while looking for tools and acquired a strop at a barber supply house. Although I shaved with Williams and a Slim, I knew no one who had ever used a SR and there was no internet or other easily accessable learning resources available to me. I gave up after about two weeks.

I became acquainted with SRP and other shaving sites on the internet through an interest in Japanese and western kitchen knives. The knowlege present on the internet made all the difference for me. I have been using a SR for more than 3 years and can usually equal or better my DE shaves. It took me some time to develop "the touch" needed for effective shaving, stropping, and refreshing/honing SRs in reasonably good condition.

If I could have been tutored by family members as in the past, I probably could have learned without the internet as a resource. In the absence of such mentoring, I probably would have failed without the guidance found on SRP and other sites.

Each person needs to acquire a base of knowlege and then find out what works best for them through experience.

I agree. My feeling is most information geared to beginners is conventional wisdom which leads to uninformed and erroneous purchases. And since most shaving forums are underwritten by retailers, there has to be some measure of conflict of interest leading to overpurchasing. For example, I'm pretty sure I don't need $5000 worth of hones.

I do think the forums provide useful information. I just think the data can't be taken at face value.

Originally Posted by QB714

I agree. My feeling is most information geared to beginners is conventional wisdom which leads to uninformed and erroneous purchases. And since most shaving forums are underwritten by retailers, there has to be some measure of conflict of interest leading to overpurchasing. For example, I'm pretty sure I don't need $5000 worth of hones.

I do think the forums provide useful information. I just think the data can't be taken at face value.

May be if you would spend some time of forming an informed opinion about this forum instead of simply posting a conventional generalization we would have fewer erroneous, misinformed and misleading posts.

Here is the information that this forum provides for beginners - Beginner's guide to straight razor shaving - Straight Razor Place Library
and this is the one targeted at the budget conscious ones -
Buying a beginner's set on a budget - Straight Razor Place Library

They are posted on the main page of this site as well as in sticky posts.

If anything the conventional wisdom on this site is to discourage people from overpurchasing and instead invest in developing their skills. I consistently see that the recommendations are for good, proven quality equipment without frills. For example the standard recommendations for hones is synthetics and new people are actively discouraged from going to naturals i.e. your $5000 scenario.

But as a matter of forum policy we've chosen to not delete posts unless necessary, which means we have a number of misleading posts. I certainly wish there were fewer of them, that's why I'm addressing yours as an example of such.

Originally Posted by gugi

May be if you would spend some time of forming an informed opinion about this forum instead of simply posting a conventional generalization we would have fewer erroneous, misinformed and misleading posts.

Here is the information that this forum provides for beginners - Beginner's guide to straight razor shaving - Straight Razor Place Library
and this is the one targeted at the budget conscious ones -
Buying a beginner's set on a budget - Straight Razor Place Library

They are posted on the main page of this site as well as in sticky posts.

If anything the conventional wisdom on this site is to discourage people from overpurchasing and instead invest in developing their skills. I consistently see that the recommendations are for good, proven quality equipment without frills. For example the standard recommendations for hones is synthetics and new people are actively discouraged from going to naturals i.e. your $5000 scenario.

But as a matter of forum policy we've chosen to not delete posts unless necessary, which means we have a number of misleading posts. I certainly wish there were fewer of them, that's why I'm addressing yours as an example of such.

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ml#post1408276
An example of what you are saying is right here in Euclids post (#34) gugi. esentially any set of stones will get the same result, you only NEED a 1,4 and 8k then maybe look at a higher grit finisher when proficient, then maybe look at a super high grit finisher when proficient with the previous finisher.
I think this whole setup would come in at well under $1000, and only then because the 20k stones are quite pricy. i have a setup up to 12 k consisting of 1k chosera, 3,8,10 and 12k naniwa. i think what i have is on the slightly more expensive side of the average recomendations ie norton/naniwa/shapton/chosera, and there are plenty of people who happily use and post about using king etc which are cheaper still.
Yes, there are a lot of enablers on the site who discuss the latest and greatest, but the advice for beginers FROM EXPERIENCED MEMBERS is generally consistent and sound.

Originally Posted by QB714

I agree. My feeling is most information geared to beginners is conventional wisdom which leads to uninformed and erroneous purchases. And since most shaving forums are underwritten by retailers, there has to be some measure of conflict of interest leading to overpurchasing. For example, I'm pretty sure I don't need $5000 worth of hones.

I do think the forums provide useful information. I just think the data can't be taken at face value.

I'm a person who may very well make or exceed that $5000 investment in hones, over the 4 years that I have been here & I don't even own a JNAT. This is extreme, my investment in hones & shaving gear,,, yes I know,,, but I don't drink, use drugs, drive a new car every year, have a wife or high maintenence honey,,,,,wetshaving has become my addiction & I have many dealers/suppliers, most have no financial investment in this forum. I'm a happy addict,,,, I don't push any particular item to a newbie,,,, I reccommend to newbies what is in their best interest.

I have never seen a member targeted for not purchasing from a sponsor.

If you stay around much longer on SRP, you will come to trust the opinions provided by certain members as reliable & up to date,,, putting the value of their information at 24 Karat,,,

Originally Posted by Hirlau

I'm a person who may very well make or exceed that $5000 investment in hones, over the 4 years that I have been here & I don't even own a JNAT. 24 Karat,,,

Dammitt!

Kidding!

Originally Posted by Hirlau

maybe your just having a bad day like me,,, my A/C blew up at 4:30am,,, but I have a portable back-up like all good preppers,,, there is still time to make it right Edward,,, just edit it ,,, you've been here 2 years,,,

I am so jealous of the fact that you actually need to use your A/C in October. Man, I need to move somewhere hot.