What are we coming to or I don't believe it!

Well, these are the 20-30-year-old folks that are the linchpin of the ACA... naive or lazy enough to not care or not see that they're getting screwed by the system. Brilliant strategy, if you think about it. Though, I wonder if their parents will call the President to complain about the exorbitant prices the kids will be paying...

Personally, I'm 31 and have been working since I was 17. Before that, I earned my money by working for my grandfather on his farm or around his house doing chores (mowing, cleaning, bush hogging, fixing fences, etc.) starting around age 7. He knew how important it was for me to learn a good work ethic, and I'm now a better man for it.

*Edit: One more thought... everyone always talks about the kid's sense of entitlement. I wonder how much of that same sense the parents have...

If my mother or father called my boss... at any age after I was 16, I would have serious issue with my parents.

What kid lets his/her parent call his/her boss lol?

This country is changing. Most of these kids aren't sitting around watching video games (some do of course) they have jobs that pay minimum wage or not far from it and many who have been to college have steep loans to repay. Many had decent jobs they lost during the meltdown and some haven't been able to find anything that pays near what they got before. Most kids do not enjoy living with parents and neither do their parents.

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Originally Posted by 1OldGI

I thank the Almighty daily that when I was growing up, when it was time to be a man, we jumped at the chance. How these leeches live with themselves is beyond my comprehension.

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Yeah. Sure. Which is why your generation made the world it is today. :)
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http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...%2BR%5CC%3F%0A

Oh look, the average age is around 60.
Before you start blaming 'kids these days' for everything that is wrong today, remember that your generation is the one currently throwing the US economy under the bus over a deadly game of chicken. Must be that famous sense of ethics...

You were saying something about leeches?

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Originally Posted by crouton976

Personally, I'm 31 and have been working since I was 17. Before that, I earned my money by working for my grandfather on his farm or around his house doing chores (mowing, cleaning, bush hogging, fixing fences, etc.) starting around age 7. He knew how important it was for me to learn a good work ethic, and I'm now a better man for it.

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Let's hear from more of us that learned about work at an age that made us what we are today. Grew up in neighborhood family grocery store. Age 5, a game, stacking empty soft drink bottles in cases. Age nine, organize the penny candy counter. Age eleven on up, wait on customers and learn excellent customer relation skills that have served me well over the years despite being a loner and shy at social gatherings. I'm enjoying life now, more than ever because I feel that what I had as a child is what has given me that inner core to be real about living.

There seems to be two distinct groups in the younger generation. One group is the failure to launch bunch and the other are the disenfranchised bunch. The first bunch I have no time for and the second I have a lot of sympathy for. The first group would not get out of the house even in good economic times and the second group, through no fault of their own, realize just how screwed they are by the current economic times, thank you global economics. In both cases the previous generations, mine included, have allowed the current situations to exist. Pretty depressing when you think about it.

Bob

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Originally Posted by earcutter

If my mother or father called my boss... at any age after I was 16, I would have serious issue with my parents.

What kid lets his/her parent call his/her boss lol?

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Is this really happening? I mean, I'm normally the first to jump to a cynical presumption but this is something even I didn't think was going on.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Yeah. Sure. Which is why your generation made the world it is today. :)
EDIT:
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...%2BR%5CC%3F%0A

Oh look, the average age is around 60.
Before you start blaming 'kids these days' for everything that is wrong today, remember that your generation is the one currently throwing the US economy under the bus over a deadly game of chicken. Must be that famous sense of ethics...

You were saying something about leeches?

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This is rather off topic. But to address it, I wouldn't say that a generation is responsible for the game of chicken but a radical ideology. But perhaps we need another thread for that discussion.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Yeah. Sure. Which is why your generation made the world it is today. :)
EDIT:
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...%2BR%5CC%3F%0A

Oh look, the average age is around 60.
Before you start blaming 'kids these days' for everything that is wrong today, remember that your generation is the one currently throwing the US economy under the bus over a deadly game of chicken. Must be that famous sense of ethics...

You were saying something about leeches?

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Bruno, I understand your point, but want to point out political leaders are a different animal altogether... In terms of ethics, when it comes to politics one need look no further than the old saying "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely". It takes someone driven by greed and madness for power to make it in American politics these days (with a few exceptions). That type of behavior can show itself no matter what age a person is.

With that said, you can certainly count me in BobH's 2nd group of the disenfranchised bunch. Previous generations handed these clowns the keys to the castle, and now we're forced to pay the price. Couple that with the fact that most my (and your) age in America are either too ignorant, disillusioned or lazy to realize that we have a means to reign the corruption in and put the power back into our own hands.

In fact, I'd go a step further and say that most of that ignorance/laziness is by design of those in power. Free cell phones, food stamps, subsidized health insurance paid for in unequal terms, free internet, free daycare, free food, free clothes, etc., etc.

It's like feeding a stray, feral cat... if you keep 'em coming back to the trough to feed, they lose the will, knowledge and wisdom to feed themselves.

Not to stray too far off topic here, but since it is somewhat relevant, most people in the COUNTRY, not just my age group, believe that the ACA (Obamacare) is free. Those who believe so are split between believing it is health INSURANCE and HEALTHCARE (two totally different things). Nearly everyone doesn't (or, at least didn't until this past week) realize that we will be paying for it, and that the way it is subsidized is some people pay more than others to cover the costs of those who pay less. How does anyone have the right to tell me that I must pay for someone else's health insurance out of money that I worked for? What gives them the right to use the fruits of my labor?

And now we've come full circle to the sense of entitlement.

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Originally Posted by crouton976

Bruno, I understand your point, but want to point out political leaders are a different animal altogether...

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How about the people who elect them then? It's the exact same answer - the people responsible for the current state are the parents and grandparents of those 20-somethings.

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Originally Posted by crouton976

How does anyone have the right to tell me that I must pay for someone else's health insurance out of money that I worked for? What gives them the right to use the fruits of my labor?

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The real question is why haven't you been outraged over this until now. Because whether you have realized it or not, you've been paying for this for all your life, unless you've been a moocher and had somebody else pay for you. If you don't want to be paying you should be demanding the correct change to the system - one where nobody is forced to provide health care until they are paid upfront.