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02-12-2014, 07:37 PM #41
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Thanked: 2027Ya know,we had a program in the 40s,50s,60s that worked very well.Was known as the Bracero program.
Come on up, work, pay U.S taxes on your wages,after the work was done,adious,see ya next yr,they were happy,american farmers were happy.CAUTION
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02-12-2014, 11:57 PM #42
No, the Bracero program did not work. Most of the workers never left. You still find some of them even to this day still in the U.S carrying those old I.D cards. In the short term it worked because the workers could cross back and forth whenever they wished bit as time went on and the program ended many just disappeared in the U.S.
Ask me how I know-har har.No matter how many men you kill you can't kill your successor-Emperor Nero
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02-13-2014, 12:14 AM #43
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Thanked: 2027Am certain your correct,The program worked well in Calif.The workers in Kali could only enter Kali during the harvest seasons with a distanation and papers from the farmers who hire them. When the harvests were over,by law, they had to return to mexico,most did so they could get work the following yr.How do I know?? my Family used them to pick fruit in our orchards in the mid 50s,steller workers,good people.
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02-13-2014, 12:34 AM #44
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02-13-2014, 02:25 AM #45
I live 2 miles from the city Hazleton which was the first in the nation to introduce such a bill which also included adopting English as the official language making it so all publications, city documents, handbills and such must be written in English and all city business must be conducted in English without translators. It also had about $1000 fine per illegal employee found working for anyone in city limits (which has huge problems in out industrial parks since 60% of the employees in over half of the plants are undocumented immigrants working for minimum wage with no breaks or overtime pay at 80-100 hour work weeks). And would also cost a landlord $1000 per illegal in each property.
Personally seeing the change in the economy in this area and the crime rate with drugs and murder more than quadruple in 10 years I was a supporter of the bill. Our area was dug with the back a of immigrants but the huge difference is our ancestors did it legally, well for the most part, and the new wave of immigrants should too.
I am by no means against immigrants, I am against illegally doing it and watching the way things are because there is nothing that can be done. A local cop in my area is getting sued by ACLU for trying to have too many illegals deported due to traffic violations and ICE won't even come when he calls anymore.
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02-13-2014, 05:36 PM #46
Yep, I was an Immigration Special Agent for 30 or so years and then Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Just because the workers left the fields when the season was over doesn't mean they left the country. Many moved to other locations and some went back home very briefly and then returned. The cards were one time issue and weren't reissued each season.
However most of these people were strictly agricultural types and even if they overstayed they had no desire to work in other fields or become U.S Citizens.No matter how many men you kill you can't kill your successor-Emperor Nero
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02-13-2014, 09:21 PM #47
So maybe a weird question but being it was your job - you saw the human side more than probably any of us. Did it make you more sensitive to the issue or less so?
More importantly - when I ramble off that "if America wanted to fix the problem they could - and for a whole lot less cash than they are expending now," do you face-palm lol? Or do you nod in agreement?
Any other insights? Or are you really still not aloud to talk about it?David
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02-13-2014, 11:53 PM #48
Funny you ask.
If you want to find the folks who have the most empathy to the undocumented, the folks who do Immigration work including the Border Patrol folks have way more than people imagine. When you realize what these people went through to get here and how they are treated by the smugglers you really do have respect for them.
No One will ever be able to stop illegal immigration. No fence can be built that will keep them out. Build here and they enter there. The key is a national identity card and without one that has to be verified to get work you can't work and you can't fake a phony one that will work either. Do that and Illegal Immigration stops instantly.
Of course that will never happen in this country and even if it did there would develop a black market in labor.No matter how many men you kill you can't kill your successor-Emperor Nero
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02-14-2014, 12:01 AM #49
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02-14-2014, 12:19 AM #50
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Thanked: 1587It's got to be hard in countries that physically border with other countries.
Australia shares no physical borders with any country so what the the Govt call illegal immigrants (and others call refugees) come mainly on boats. Recently our Govt. recruited the Navy into a border protection strategy known as "sovereign borders". So far all it seems to have done is create ill-will with our regional neighbours, in particular Indonesia where many of these immigrants catch the people smuggler boats (Indonesia has refugee camps, I think).
Back in the day, particularly toward the end of and immediately after the Vietnam war Australia and Australians had a much more sympathetic stance on refugees, kind of. My own niece and nephew are half Vietnamese - their father escaped with his family as a boy to and was welcomed in Australia after his father was killed by the North. Anyway, I digress but I find it difficult to reconcile our current refugee policy when I see how it has enriched my life.
However, as economies tie up and jobs get harder to find and bills get harder to pay etc people get more protective of what they have. That's just natural I think. Certainly I have less sympathy for economic migrants and think that type of immigration should be carefully administered.
Anyway, the US situation seems very complicated and has what appears to be an intricate and involved history of things like amnesties and crackdowns etc. And it seems its the kind of headache that isn't going to go away in any kind of hurry.
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