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Govts do many things to provide a free market. Diplomacy, tariff laws, free trade agreements, go to war with oil rich countries, .... :)

Also Govts cannot just redistribute as they see fit, generally. There are laws and such. Also, the great thing about democracy is that if how you as a member of Govt "see fit" doesn't tally up with how your electorate "sees fit", well they just may not see fit to reelect you, if they can see fit to get off their arses and vote. :D

James.

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Originally Posted by earcutter

Ok there is really no such thing as a "free market." There never will be... or could be. Lets just call it a market!

Does the government give us the market - well no. We provide the market and the government. They have to go hand in hand. But if you want to get into a "big thoughts" debate lol...

Without us producing a government, we couldn't regulate a market. Is it possible to have a "free" market without regulation?? Short answer - no. Without government ensuring "perfect information" - there would be no market either. Hell, without government ensuring access for all to the market via roads, via data, via... there would be no market.

GOVERNMENT IS A FUNCTION OF CIVILIZATION!! A national market is civilized as is a global one. you benefit from this!!

If you want to trade with just those with whom you have access too - cool! I need access to people with more money than my friends lol!!

Finally Frank - I understand your frustration with how taxes are distributed, everyone is. But that's a democracy - democracy's discriminate. If you think they distribute as they see fit - you need to take a civics class lol! Sorry - but your perception and reality isn't the same thing.

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We here in the US don't live in a democracy. We are supposed to be living in a Constitutional Republic.

It seems to me that you're the one who would benefit from the civics class. (Lol).

Frank

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Originally Posted by Lakebound

We here in the US don't live in a democracy. We are supposed to be living in a Constitutional Republic.

It seems to me that you're the one who would benefit from the civics class. (Lol).

Frank

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You are trolling Frank.

You want me to talk about the electoral college then?? Whatever - you split hairs lol. Give substance - or troll - you know, it's whatever lol.

Actually we live in a representative democracy.

There is an old saying about when folks don't want to think for themselves and put all their confidence in others. There is no shortage of folks who are more then glad to do the thinking for you. History is replete with people who cajoled the masses.

Anyway, despite this fascinating interlude into how people view their country's governmental structure (Australia is a pseudo - democratic idiocracy, in case you were wondering :D) I'm exercising my right to be lazy and not read the entire thread - someone want to fill me in on what it was about?


Or I could take the Simpson's DJ3000 approach and make a generic guess: "Those clowns in congress did it again. What a bunch of clowns!"

Am I close? :D

James.

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Anyway, despite this fascinating interlude into how people view their country's governmental structure (Australia is a pseudo - democratic idiocracy, in case you were wondering :D) I'm exercising my right to be lazy and not read the entire thread - someone want to fill me in on what it was about?


Or I could take the Simpson's DJ3000 approach and make a generic guess: "That clown in the White house did it again. What of clown!"

Am I close? :D

James.

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Fixed it for you - :)

Close James - but it really morphed into quite a conversation :). I know I had fun. You should read it :).

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You are trolling Frank.

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Wait a minute here. In post #80 you backpedaled and you accuse me of trolling? That's rich.

Type what you mean and mean what you type. Government does not provide a free market. That's what you wrote and I am merely disagreeing with that statement. Furthermore, we do not live in a democracy as you claimed.

And when I disagree, you state that I'm trolling. I guess around here, disagreement is trolling. Whatever.

I suggest that you don't know what you are talking about or, you're engaging in some revisionism with regard to America's history.

Frank

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Wait a minute here. In post #80 you backpedaled and you accuse me of trolling? That's rich.

Type what you mean and mean what you type. Government does not provide a free market. That's what you wrote and I am merely disagreeing with that statement. Furthermore, we do not live in a democracy as you claimed.

And when I disagree, you state that I'm trolling. I guess around here, disagreement is trolling. Whatever.

I suggest that you don't know what you are talking about or, you're engaging in some revisionism with regard to America's history.

Frank

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That's the thing Frank, I do know what I am talking about. So much so, I make assumptions that most people who know what they are talking about make :). I make those assumptions because I don't expect someone to make me take three steps backwards on givens lol!!

I didn't "backtrack" - I dumbed it down :).

I assume you are trolling not only because of your lack of thought when posting on this thread, but from your history here on the whole.

For example, the thread about natural hones - I put thought into my response to the OP, but you didn't like my response, no, no.... You claimed only that we here were treating the OP with disdain. Hence, I figure you're a troll!

http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...al-stones.html

But if you are here to tell me I am wrong... Well color me embarrassed!! I beg your forgiveness!

I'd love to see a completely free market, I think it would be fascinating although I suspect the only place to see such a thing would be some sort of virtual simulation. No country has a free market - when it is administered by people, it's something of a naivety to assume that they wont meddle with it in one way or another.