Thread: The world I would love to live in.

Originally Posted by aa1192

I don't think you should be insulting even if you strongly disagree with people's beliefs. You can say it in a nice, cordial way and also if you see something wrong; it's better not to leave, but to stay and try to improve the situation. Nothing will get better unless we put in the work to change ideas and how the world is. Also, I think if you read the entire thread many different viewpoints and paths are brought up. It is all over the place and that's the great thing: the exchange of ideas and opinions. I hope you stick around cause you gonna miss many wonderful people and things offered at SRP.

It's a great thing only if you can actually read the entire thread and all postings. We should concentrate less on "tolerating" one another and more on respecting one another and loving one another. Even if we disagree.

But again, those who preach tolerance are the least tolerant of different opinions.

Frank

Originally Posted by Lakebound

But again, those who preach tolerance are the least tolerant of different opinions.

Frank

Well, but disagreement != intolerance.

Without attributing motive in this case, one hears the quoted sentiment pretty regularly as a way to silence critique. Person A expresses an opinion, Person B describes it as intolerant or bigoted, and Person A says, "You're not tolerating my opinion! See, you're intolerant!"

If someone were to make race-related or religion-related comments analogous to those expressed here concerning sexuality (wishing that some ethnic/religious population didn't exist, or treating them as a problem to be solved, or questioning their morality as a class), it would not be treated as an opinion worthy of reasoned discussion. Members would recoil, and the post likely deleted. We agree as a community that (say) white supremacy is simply not a topic on which reasonable people disagree...at least not here.

In some communities, posts in such a vein about gays are treated the same way. SRP is not such a community; okay. But for some members to describe that they perceive such posts as intolerant or bigoted is not "intolerance". All they deny their conversation partner is the privilege to express their views without criticism.

My 2¢, to take or to leave.

Originally Posted by deepweeds

Well, but disagreement != intolerance.

Without attributing motive in this case, one hears the quoted sentiment pretty regularly as a way to silence critique. Person A expresses an opinion, Person B describes it as intolerant or bigoted, and Person A says, "You're not tolerating my opinion! See, you're intolerant!"

If someone were to make race-related or religion-related comments analogous to those expressed here concerning sexuality (wishing that some ethnic/religious population didn't exist, or treating them as a problem to be solved, or questioning their morality as a class), it would not be treated as an opinion worthy of reasoned discussion. Members would recoil, and the post likely deleted. We agree as a community that (say) white supremacy is simply not a topic on which reasonable people disagree...at least not here.

In some communities, posts in such a vein about gays are treated the same way. SRP is not such a community; okay. But for some members to describe that they perceive such posts as intolerant or bigoted is not "intolerance". All they deny their conversation partner is the privilege to express their views without criticism.

My 2¢, to take or to leave.

So, only the politically correct held beliefs may be espoused in the world. All others must be suppressed. And I am not speaking about this forum but rather modern society as a whole.

Proof in the US would be the targeting of certain groups by the IRS.

Those in power will suppress opposing opinions one way or another. Either directly or indirectly by means of propaganda.

My 2 cents.

Frank