Quote Originally Posted by gugi View Post
Calling people who believe in particular idea immature (and I explained and gave specific examples why that idea has nothing to do with reality), is drastically different from calling people with a viewpoint different from yours dishonest.


I most certainly didn't word it this way, but if you prefer that emotional coloring yes, that's exactly what burden of proof implies - unless you prove that it is true it is false by presumption. The fundamentals that are not prove-able are called axioms, or first principles and when you are claiming something as (non)constitutional the actual text of the constitution is those first principles.
I already demonstrated on multiple occasions that your positions are in direct discord with the text of the constitution, especially the institutions and practices it establishes.
Primarily you've made an appeal to authority ie - the legislature, the supreme court, says it is so, therefore it is so. This assumes that both of those branches of the federal government, and including the executive, are infallible, which is obviously untrue.

My point all along, with few exceptions, has been the immoral nature of taking wealth from one, without just compensation, for the purpose of giving to another, and for the sole benefit of that other person. Show me somewhere within the text of the Constitution where congress is authorized to tax for such a thing.

Here is the text from the Constitution Article I, sec 8 giving Congress the authority to tax:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.