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    Quote Originally Posted by OCDshaver View Post
    That's a straw man Gugi. The narrative is that we close all borders or do nothing at all and that there are no measures in between. Just because we can't guarantee 100% security is no reason to do nothing at all. This is the common sense that is being thrown by the wayside. Time to sleep my friends.
    Actually I posted earlier in the thread that there is a rather large spectrum between individuals taking care of themselves and the government sealing off the borders.
    The problem is that many people pick arbitrarily various points of that spectrum and then claim that everything less restrictive is surely going to cause the end of the USA as we know it.

    The disease has been around for decades through many mutations and is relatively well understood, including the way it develops. There are fairly unrestrictive policies which are the current CDC ones and they seem to be working exceptionally well, i.e. there have been already a couple of cases of sick people entering US over the past several weeks and there is no indication whatsoever of the beginning of epidemic.

    Of course, there is always the possibility of it mutating to airborne (likely, though not certainly, more contagious), or somebody severely sick sitting next to you vomiting all over you and getting you sick, but that would be actual straw man.

    I'd rather politicians make policies based on science and reason, not on politics and unfortunately we see far too much of the later.
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    BTW the Doctor/Vet is for real and this letter is for real

    it is in fact making just a bit of old fashioned "Horse Sense" to others

    Roy Exum: A Veterinarian’s Horse Sense - 10/25/2014 - Chattanoogan.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    BTW the Doctor/Vet is for real and this letter is for real

    it is in fact making just a bit of old fashioned "Horse Sense" to others

    Roy Exum: A Veterinarian’s Horse Sense - 10/25/2014 - Chattanoogan.com
    May be that's the problem - he has been spending too much time with horses and has forgotten that people are completely different species and in this country things you can do to horses you can't do to people.

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    Resolute nurse plans to end voluntary Ebola quarantine | Dallas Morning News

    This should get interesting,,

    My understanding is the law is behind the state on this matter but that all might get put to a legal test soon

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    Animals be it a horse, a dog or a cow are considered property in the U.S and property can be legislated and regulated. Ever have your unlicensed dog picked up by the control people?

    The same people who complain about overreaching Govt complain the Govt isn't doing more.

    As to sealing the border that's as possible as my winning the lottery this month. How long is the southern border? How long is the northern border? How long are our seacoasts. How do you seal all that?
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    Are Mandatory Ebola Quarantines Legal? - The Daily Beast

    Interesting reading, that and some other quick research seems to side with the States having even more power then the Feds on this

    State Quarantine and Isolation Statutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    As to sealing the border that's as possible as my winning the lottery this month. How long is the southern border? How long is the northern border? How long are our seacoasts. How do you seal all that?
    Well, if US would have the political will it is possible - there is enough manpower and budget under the 'Defense' umbrella, so if the US border control is prioritized as more important to defense than things like the border control between South and North Korea, or the US military presence all over the world it could be done in principle. However the reality is that it is politically unfeasible.

    But it looks like these things will get decided by the courts, which does not seem all that unreasonable to me. Even as they move into more politicization they are still a check on the legislative and executive branches. There are certainly laws that allow authorities to detain people who are a threat to the community, but they still should have to prove the existence of that threat.
    There are plenty of secretive and unaccountable government entities already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    I think with an open country like the US (and to a lesser degree other countries like Australia) it is unrealistic to think the Government can be completely on top of something like Ebola especially when, as people have pointed out, there are many avenues for it to be introduced.

    Looks like your Government has made a decision Jimbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by gugi View Post
    There are certainly laws that allow authorities to detain people who are a threat to the community, but they still should have to prove the existence of that threat.

    That Statutes link above has a pretty clear definition in there...

    "Quarantine may be used to restrict the movement of well people who may have been exposed to a communicable disease until it can be determined if they are ill, for example, people who have a communicable disease but do not know it, or may have the disease because of close contact with ill people but do not show symptoms."


    Looks to be an uphill battle to beat that in court,,,, each state of course is different..


    Another take on it, which is a bit more ambiguous

    According to numerous federal and state court decisions, the state must show that it made “an individualized assessment that a person poses a risk,” and demonstrate to a court that the decision was based on a sound scientific evaluation.



    Edit and Question:

    Ok I read this at least twice and I am missing something.. The Nurse in ME now, she had a temp so NJ put her in quarantine, after 3 days she tested negative to an actual Ebola test. NJ let her go home to ME, and she was put under monitored quarantine

    Why would she still need to be monitored ??? is the test not accurate enough ???

    Has anyone seen a reason for that ??
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    Why would she still need to be monitored ??? is the test not accurate enough ???

    Has anyone seen a reason for that ??[/QUOTE]

    Lot of variables.
    Any test will depend on the percentage of cells infected. At some point the number of infected cells will become "visible" to the test. By visible it may be the output of a infected cell before or after it bursts.
    It is thought three or four of the Ebola are enough to start an infection. The eyes are particularly vulnerable. This small exposure would push toward the end of the quarantine period.
    OTOH, if you are drenched in Ebola (vomit or blood) and have any mucosal membranes exposed or open cuts the infection will ramp up very quickly.

    Just my take on this very nasty way to die.

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