Thread: Ebola

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is simply not true, nor what anyone is proposing at least not what I have seen so far...

"The Guy" Duncan still had to have a Visa to travel from Liberia to the US that is exactly what counties like AU just stopped. that is literally a stroke of that oh so famous pen here in the US.

Seems like a reasonable solution until the public panic dies down and we are sure we have the proper protocols in place, a temporary halt to Visas from West Africa.. With a reasonable quarantine situation in place for returning US citizens from West Africa..

As to other foreigners coming to the US, I would hope that we can tell where they have visited recently from their PP stamps/scans

So are you going to sequester anyone with "africa" stamped on their passport? People can lie like this Duncan guy did about where he even was before boarding in Germany.

Originally Posted by MajorEthanolic

Originally Posted by DickWhitman

You realize that the average life expectancy before "science" as you put it, was in the 30's-40's, right?

Not to mention the 50% child mortality rate.

Well, the second is the largest contributor to the first, so it'd be wrong to mention them as completely unrelated factors thus strengthening an argument. Those who didn't die in childhood tended to have fairly long lives.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Avoid doorknobs at all costs .........

Or simply don't lick them.

Of course, one solution is as suggested to pander to the lowest common denominator - that's what the news and unscrupulous politicians love. I still would rather have policies grounded more in reality than in people's ignorance.

It's interesting to compare and contrast attitude towards the risk of ebola and the risks of straight shaving - there is no panic about HIV, anthrax, hepatitis C, tetanus and hundreds other dangerous pathogens which people could fear just as much.

Originally Posted by MajorEthanolic

So are you going to sequester anyone with "africa" stamped on their passport? People can lie like this Duncan guy did about where he even was before boarding in Germany.

That is also incorrect, from the "Africa" stamps, to the lie part..

Duncan couldn't and didn't lie about being from Liberia he lied about/was unaware of being with and Ebola patient..

Each country has it's own entry and exit visa system and stamps, all we have to do is not grant entry visas from Ebola Hot zone countries, not sure what part of that you don't understand..

No need to sequester anybody else

Originally Posted by gugi

Of course, one solution is as suggested to pander to the lowest common denominator - that's what the news and unscrupulous politicians love. I still would rather have policies grounded more in reality than in people's ignorance.

It's interesting to compare and contrast attitude towards the risk of ebola and the risks of straight shaving - there is no panic about HIV, anthrax, hepatitis C, tetanus and hundreds other dangerous pathogens which people could fear just as much.

This is their own fault they caused it themselves by making stupid statements that turned out to be false and it was reported ..

When you say stupid stuff you gotta deal with the repercussions..

Now the Administrations has caused it's own crisis of confidence and the public at large no longer trusts them, so they need to earn that trust again by an abundance of caution.. The "Facts" no longer matter, that ship sailed with Duncan and the Dallas nurses.. No matter how many guys in white coats with letters after their names say otherwise, they lost the public trust... By calling the public stupid it doesn't help earn back their trust factor..

Politicians are doing exactly what we pay them to do anymore, divide the masses


ps: The exact same thing happened in the 80's here with HIV when the "Smart Guys" in white coats, and the Politicians lost the public trust on that too by mis-informing the public..

Once they lose that trust the truth no longer matters

Medical people like that Nurse in ME now do not help either, it doesn't matter now what the facts are, she has made it way worse for anyone wanting to go help in the Hot Zones.. Much of that work is funded by charity and peoples wallets will close when they see her attitude, which isn't helping the people she was trying to in the first place.. Sad but still true

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is also incorrect, from the "Africa" stamps, to the lie part..

Duncan couldn't and didn't lie about being from Liberia he lied about/was unaware of being with and Ebola patient..

Each country has it's own entry and exit visa system and stamps, all we have to do is not grant entry visas from Ebola Hot zone countries, not sure what part of that you don't understand..

No need to sequester anybody else

You can easily move from a hot zone to a non-hot zone via methods that do not show up on your passport.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

This is their own fault they caused it themselves by making stupid statements that turned out to be false and it was reported ..

When you say stupid stuff you gotta deal with the repercussions..

Now the Administrations has caused it's own crisis of confidence and the public at large no longer trusts them, so they need to earn that trust again by an abundance of caution.. The "Facts" no longer matter, that ship sailed with Duncan and the Dallas nurses.. No matter how many guys in white coats with letters after their names say otherwise, they lost the public trust... By calling the public stupid it doesn't help earn back their trust factor..

Politicians are doing exactly what we pay them to do anymore, divide the masses

If you had cancer, would you want the "public" to decide what is best for your treatments? Same with outbreaks like this... this is the LAST place you want an uninformed public making decisions. Public responds to hysteria, professionals respond with data. The data may not be popular with the public, but it is what it is. Just about every expert I've heard from/read says that shutting down flights or sequestering everyone from infected regions would do nothing to stop the spread.

Originally Posted by MajorEthanolic

Not to mention the 50% child mortality rate.

Originally Posted by DickWhitman

You realize that the average life expectancy before "science" as you put it, was in the 30's-40's, right?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Avoid doorknobs at all costs .........

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Each country has it's own entry and exit visa system and stamps, all we have to do is not grant entry visas from Ebola Hot zone countries, not sure what part of that you don't understand..

No need to sequester anybody else

US citizens do not need to get US visa to enter US, they automatically have that right based on citizenship and all they need is a US passport.
If you start sequestering people based on potential exposure to infectious diseases you're making a rather drastic jump from centuries of established practice and it isn't going to be as easy to make your case in court. There are many infectious diseases far more contagious than ebola. The only special thing about ebola is the high mortality rate.
However the basis of these laws is not high mortality, but high contagiousness.

Originally Posted by MajorEthanolic

So are you going to sequester anyone with "africa" stamped on their passport? People can lie like this Duncan guy did about where he even was before boarding in Germany.

The last time I traveled to Africa, 2 years ago, my passport was NOT stamped simply Africa. Each and every country I visited clearly stamped my passport with entry and exit dated stamps. You will know darn well which country someone has to been in Africa and the dates.

If a receiving country demands that the visitor have a valid Visa for entry prior to traveling to the receiving country it is easier still to determine where they came from.

If the travel to the destination country is interrupted by a layover and you left the airport's international section then the country in which the layover occurs stamps an entry and exit stamp on their passport. If you stayed in the international section of the airport for a brief layover between fights then there is no reason for entry and exit stamps.

Along with these stamps your passport is scanned too. It should be real easy to determine where and when a legitimate international traveler visiting your country has been immediately prior to entering your country. I don't think it is too difficult to restrict entry from areas specifically affected by an Ebola out break.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

The last time I traveled to Africa, 2 years ago, my passport was NOT stamped simply Africa. Each and every country I visited clearly stamped my passport with entry and exit dated stamps. You will know darn well which country someone has to been in Africa and the dates.

If a receiving country demands that the visitor have a valid Visa for entry prior to traveling to the receiving country it is easier still to determine where they came from.

If the travel to the destination country is interrupted by a layover and you left the airport's international section then the country in which the layover occurs stamps an entry and exit stamp on their passport. If you stayed in the international section of the airport for a brief layover between fights then there is no reason for entry and exit stamps.

Along with these stamps your passport is scanned too. It should be real easy to determine where and when a legitimate international traveler visiting your country has been immediately prior to entering your country. I don't think it is too difficult to restrict entry from areas specifically affected by an Ebola out break.

Bob

And even if everything you say is true, every expert says it will stop nothing. So we can spend millions of $$ and inconvenience millions of travelers to stop nothing.

Originally Posted by MajorEthanolic

And even if everything you say is true, every expert says it will stop nothing. So we can spend millions of $$ and inconvenience millions of travelers to stop nothing.

So do nothing ??

What part of "The Facts don't matter" do you not get ???

Personally I hope the Administration sees it yours and Gugi's way, the election might swing right much easier on Tuesday..