Thread: A question on the constitution

Seems a bit shortsighted to me, but if we have to go through more members of our 'civilized' societies become radicalized and bring that over here, and give up more of our freedoms in the process of ensuring our safety than that's what we'll go through.
I'm sure we'll figure it out eventually - if we don't we'd have simply killed each other in the process.

Sometimes I wonder if Ron Paul might not have the right idea . . . just get the hell out, and let them kill each other off until only one group is left standing. then we talk to that group. Ensure that none of their nonsense crosses our thresholds here in the West, and just let the barbarians weed each other out in a Darwinian frenzy.
Part of the issue that that the west faces is, "Who do we help?" All well and good to say we should stop ISIS. But what of Boko Haram? What of the smaller groups that are no doubt terrorizing other parts of Africa that we do NOT hear about? What about terror in Polynesia? Part of the problem with being the world's Cop is that you still have to pick and choose because we simply CANNOT help EVERYONE. Hence the notion of helping no one.

All I am certain of is that we in the West need to operate under the ideals and principles we set forth as the bedrock of our societies. Doing so shows our commitment to a better way of life for ALL, which is how we win. We show that peasant in Tikrit that, even though ISIS killed "x" number of Westerners, we STILL gave them every chance to make their case before passing judgement. Maybe that peasant gets it in his head that these "infidels" might not be so bad and prevents Junior from strapping on that vest, or he comes to Montreal and works in a diner while his daughter gets an education and raises grandchildren instead of cannon fodder.

We win by PROVING we're better, even if it's one person at a time.

Most folks in the west have no clue to understanding who these people really are and what they want. They want to take the world back to the middle ages or before, a time when life was simple and everything was predestined for you. They have no use for us or our society. Our society and theirs is incompatible and there are enough young fools who see their slick advertising and are willing to go over and die for them. if we do nothing they will just grow and sweep across the middle east and parts of Africa and at some point we will have to face them in battle or face a death of a 1000 cuts from them here.

If they succeed with their plans the day will come when they invade Israel and then we will have our entire military mobilized to fight them there.

I think that is a LITTLE over dramatic . . .

Originally Posted by Orville

I think that is a LITTLE over dramatic . . .

Well, I am not so sure about that. I think I would sooner deal with it now than wait. Very few Westerners are as fanatical as these guys. I mean really try and get a Westerner to strap on a bomb and explode it in a middle eastern market place. I think the answer to that suggestion would be are you nuts or worse. The difference is whether you perceive that you have something to loose or not, hope or despair.

Bob

Agreed . . . because Westerners generally have more (personally) to lose. So lets show them how Islam is NOT incompatible with Western culture . . . that, in fact, they CAN raise their kids to worship Allah AND live in security and tolerance, without having to fear that a different sect is going to come and kill them. THAT is how we stop them.

I'll use the example of Romania and Ceaucescu . . . it wasn't the brutality of the dictatorship, it wasn't the nepotism that caused the revolution. It was DALLAS. JR Ewing et al caused a revolution that overthrew one of the more brutal post Soviet regimes in the world, because the people got to see what (they thought) life could BE LIKE.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...86475890,d.aWw

Similarly, SHOW them what life is like here for other Muslims (good AND bad). Show them kids in college, working at SubWay, mingling with other cultures WITHOUT losing their Faith, and they will ask WHY NOT US? As soon as they start to ask their Leaders "WHY?" we win. Because the answer will either be a move TOWARD westernization, or it will be a LIE. And eventually, one of those Leaders will make the move, and the liars will end up against a WALL. Not because we put them there, but because their own followers did.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

No, The Congress has to initiate an Impeachment and The Senate tries the case..

BUT

The is a clause in Article V of the Constitution called the Convention of the States that allows for the States themselves to Amend the Constitution to protect against an oppressive Federal Government

It has never been convened, but there is a push going on right now (CSG) looking for the 34 States needed to try it

Search - Article V Convention of the States for more info


So basically an Article V Convention could ratify an Amendment to the Constitution to allow different rules for Impeachment

That is really simplified, and has never been tested against the SCOTUS so in theory it is possible

That would be my dream come true.

Originally Posted by Orville

Agreed . . . because Westerners generally have more (personally) to lose. So lets show them how Islam is NOT incompatible with Western culture . . . that, in fact, they CAN raise their kids to worship Allah AND live in security and tolerance, without having to fear that a different sect is going to come and kill them. THAT is how we stop them.

Do you really believe that? I know I don't. Watch this and tell me if you feel that way. Don't worry, there are no acts of violence or brutality to see. Just an Imam and his congregation discussing this very topic.

MEMRI: Norwegian Islamic Leader Fahad Qureshi: All Muslims Believe in the Death Penalty for Homosexuals

I see a LOT of sheepish smiles and smirking when those questions were being asked . . . remember too that peer pressure in situations like that is also a factor in people responding as the Speaker wishes. It is ironic that this video is from Norway considering thousands of Muslims in that country surrounded the main Synagogue in Oslo in a protective ring of human shields to protest anti-Semitic violence, and to protect the members of that Faith community while they were at Temple. Seems there is a schism within Islam.

Actually, the lack of a centralized Leadership in the various Islamic sects is both a strength and a weakness of the Faith. Strength, in that it prevents the decimation of (say) the Sunni branch by eliminating the head of said branch. Weakness, because there is no overarching body to say, "No, you have that wrong . . . THIS is what the Koran means in that passage". It is one of the BEST things about Catholicism that, when some moonbat Bishop goes off his rocker about homosexuality, the Pope can turn around and say, "Uh . . . NO."

Ok. But it would seem to me that the peer pressure would be felt by the guy at the podium if there were that many sheepish smiles hinting at some disagreement. I'll let it speak for itself and let you interpret the body language however you see fit.