Thread: A question on the constitution

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I have read much on here as to what the US in particular should do and the Western World included but at a much lesser extent

But what I have not seen proposed by anyone yet is

What are the rules for the Jihadists, I mean so far you all are quite comfortable sitting in your chairs on your computers explaining what "We" should do to solve the problem..

Yet not one of you has proposed what the Jihadists should do...

Well ????


Talk

Lets see. it wasn't that long ago that guys went on a killing spree in Canada and the master at arms shot and killed him. do you think that the master at arms should have offered him a cup of tea. Everyone is quick to down grade the USA until these evil people come to there country and then what have they done in the past. How many American's lives were lost in Europe for the European people. all of them. not just one country . Yes it is easy to sit at a computer and say you should do this or you should do that but when something happens to you it's quite a different story. When you fight evil you get evil. that's really the way you win. after winning then you can sort things out but you can't sort things out if you don't win. Good going gssixgun

Well if we're making it personal responsibility, and not being keyboard warriors, perhaps those who insist that the only solution is to go kill them all should indeed get out of their comfy chairs. Buy some guns and ammo if they don't already have enough, a plane ticket and go shoot jihadis where they live to their hearts content.

Yes when you just pay your taxes, but somebody else has to deal with the horrors of the war it's easy to talk big words and think we just aren't violent enough and not killing enough of them, or treating them too kindly.
Real respect for the men and women in uniform is not putting a bumper sticker, but caring about what these people have to deal with enough to not make them go through more than absolutely necessary.

Originally Posted by gugi

Well if we're making it personal responsibility, and not being keyboard warriors, perhaps those who insist that the only solution is to go kill them all should indeed get out of their comfy chairs. Buy some guns and ammo if they don't already have enough, a plane ticket and go shoot jihadis where they live to their hearts content.

Yes when you just pay your taxes, but somebody else has to deal with the horrors of the war it's easy to talk big words and think we just aren't violent enough and not killing enough of them, or treating them too kindly.
Real respect for the men and women in uniform is not putting a bumper sticker, but caring about what these people have to deal with enough to not make them go through more than absolutely necessary.

Now that I've had my 20 hours of sleep,, I'll post a little,,,, I got the guns, ammo, snacks (can't fight all day without some quick energy) ,, got two plane tickets to Asia ,,,oh !!! wait a minute,, I can't take my guns & ammo with me !! But that's O.K. where I'm going they don't tolerate Jihadi bullsH*t. They execute drug drealers, extortionists (anything over $85,000),,,, I've seen the condemned being trucked to the city limits,,, so did the rest of the citizens & tourists that afternoon. looking forward to another nice vacation.

So back to being serious,,, all I care about is sitting in the living room waiting for me to get off this da#n computer; he turns 18 years in May. In the schools here Gugi (high schools) the parents must sign a ton of papers at the beginning of the school years, those include permission for the U.S. Military (recruiters) to contact by phone & talk to in person, your child.
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My family has placed a man in every American conflict since the Civil War, except the Spanish American War, I cannot find any relative that served in that war. I keep the family history,,, what's left of it.
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I have been dreading the day my son comes of age for military service, primarily due to last 30 years of mismanagement,,, he's all I have. I have always stayed open to the belief that my son will choose his own path, regardless of family history. Last week the Marines interview him at school, he does not bother to tell his ex-Marine dad, I find out driving down the road later that day via phone, The Marines want to follow up with me on some of the answers he gave them. I love the Corps, but not a call I wanted to receive. Not knowing who they were talking to, as far as my background, they promised to give my son a "non-combat" job in the green zone, so to speak, to keep him safe, basically. I lost it a little, told him of my family's history. There's no such thing as non-combat role in the military these days. There is no such thing as being "safe" in a green zone these days.
My son wants to fly planes, he knows the military will train him to do that,,, I have busted my ass trying to gather information this past month, that entices him to enter civilian flight schools,,, I really don't have the money, but I will find a way. I don't want to see him in a cage someday.

I wish my 54 year old fat a$$ could make the trip tonight & kill as many as possible Gugi,, so my son or anyone else's young son or daughter doesn't make it to the cage.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

where I'm going they don't tolerate Jihadi bullsH*t. They execute drug drealers, extortionists (anything over $85,000),,,, I've seen the condemned being trucked to the city limits,,, so did the rest of the citizens & tourists that afternoon. looking forward to another nice vacation.

And since you've seen the same handled differently here, do you think one is preferable to the other? Is the lack of executions what is stopping the asians from looking forward to a nice vacation on the Florida sands?

Originally Posted by Hirlau

I wish my 54 year old fat a$$ could make the trip tonight & kill as many as possible Gugi,, so my son or anyone else's young son or daughter doesn't make it to the cage.

The only thing worse than sacrificing oneself is sacrificing one's children. It better be worth it and we must remember that on the other side there are parents in the same position. Their kids are willing to die in order to kill all the foreign invaders who they hold responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents as collateral damage.

Originally Posted by rhensley

Lets see. it wasn't that long ago that guys went on a killing spree in Canada and the master at arms shot and killed him. do you think that the master at arms should have offered him a cup of tea. Everyone is quick to down grade the USA until these evil people come to there country and then what have they done in the past. How many American's lives were lost in Europe for the European people. all of them. not just one country . Yes it is easy to sit at a computer and say you should do this or you should do that but when something happens to you it's quite a different story. When you fight evil you get evil. that's really the way you win. after winning then you can sort things out but you can't sort things out if you don't win. Good going gssixgun

The MAA did his job quite well and he just may have had a cup of tea afterwards or possibly something stronger. Nobody that I know has been suggesting we deal with terrorists by playing patty cakes either. For most the torture and holding captive for a decade of prisoners does not sit well. Bring them to justice promptly for a verdict and sentencing might just sit a bit better.

As for casualties suffered in WWII, I believe the Russians hold that dubious honour to the point of having suffered more that all others combined. Besides if that squabble had not been settled there it would have been at our door sooner than later and we would have been alone over here. There was no altruistic motive for involvement in a European war just plain good sense. Better to destroy someone else's house in a brawl rather than your own.

Bob

As I suspected ....

No rules yet for the Jihadists


Pretty telling

Go kill them then sort out the rest in International Court is the solution offered


And go there and shoot Jihadis



Maybe, those that profess dialogue as a solution should buy the plane ticket and go over and talk to them rather then shoot them ... I am quite sure they would be more then happy to sit down over a cup of tea and listen to your peaceful solutions They have treated others that have tried so well in recent months

They are so open and receptive to new ideas


When ya come up with an idea that they agree to follow, I am willing to listen, until then you offer no solution to the violence, and if there must be violence then it is best to be the winner and the faster we win the more innocent lives are spared...

I find that only making suggestions of what the West and the US should do is pretty much a cop out to addressing the core issues..


ps: I am also perfectly fine with leaving the region all together and sitting back and letting them all fight it out as long as we agree to a Detant policy with absolute and deadly repercussions for attacking Israel.. this would be Heartless and Inhumane but many of you seem to be ok with it, to me it is Immoral

Imho, the best we western countries now can do with jihadists is to support and help local governments and forces to get rid of those idiots by themselves. Just what we do when helping Iraqi troops, kurds and their peshmerga forces to fight Isis.
Also we can help those countries building stable societies where also ethnic and religious minorities have their equal rights. In such societies people usually do not have reason to get radicalized.

And the one unpleasant yet necessary thing for our countries to do is to look at the mirror and ask if we have given those radical idiots reason to exist. To learn and not make the same mistakes ever again. Can't just lock up innocent people for years without trial.
Maybe it is important and sad duty to get rid of terrorists the way or another. But we should remember that every innocent victim raises at least two more jihadists. So those who are now doing their job should look carefully not to harm those who haven't done anything against us.

Easier said than done but i cannot imagine any other long term way to heal the problem. All the other options only make it worse.

There's is something special in Isis as there are so many jihadists who have born here in the western countries. Maybe it's time also to think what made them choose so. Radicalism doen't not grow unless you give it a reason, righteous or not.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

As I suspected ....

No rules yet for the Jihadists


Pretty telling

That's because it's pointless to engage in false premise.

But since you seem to be missing it while just staring at it. There are international organizations who were created to set the rules how states should behave and deal with them when they do not follow the rules. They do not function all too well, and US like every other big player has its share of the blame for that disfunction.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I find that only making suggestions of what the West and the US should do is pretty much a cop out to addressing the core issues..

It's not a cop out - it's the reality. We in the west have influence only over what the west does. That's why everybody simply ignored the straw man you set up.

US invaded Iraq, won, administered it for a while, then had democratic elections and the Iraqi people chose a government who represented the majority and was oppressive to the minority. The minority did not enjoy that situation and took matters into its own hands by supporting radical islamists who protected it from the governments oppression. For them it's the lesser of the two evils and as long as you are trying to force the larger evil back into them they will fight back. They are people just like the rest of us who do not want to be killed indiscriminately because they're slightly different. They'd rather have their own thugs protect them from other people's thugs.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

As I suspected ....

No rules yet for the Jihadists

They have already set their own rules of behavior which pretty much everyone is disgusted with. So no point in discussing that I think. Pretty much boils down to which side's rules of behavior can win militarily for a start as talking is obviously out of the question for now.

Bob

If anyone watches Bill Maher, last night he made one devastating statement about the Arab Countries. basically they have a problem banding together to fight ISIS but had no trouble banding together to fight Israel.

Makes you think.