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Joe Chandler Why? 04-23-2007, 04:01 PM
jaegerhund Do defense attorneys have to... 04-23-2007, 04:21 PM
FiReSTaRT The other possibility would... 04-23-2007, 04:33 PM
Joe Chandler Ilija, I think you missed the... 04-23-2007, 04:43 PM
gratewhitehuntr a fitting punishment 04-23-2007, 05:01 PM
scarface One thing we can count on... 04-23-2007, 05:17 PM
jaegerhund Americans have a love/hate... 04-23-2007, 05:31 PM
xman You gotta be careful about... 04-23-2007, 06:25 PM
scarface But it sems that the... 04-23-2007, 06:34 PM
heliguy I'm with you:tu :nj 04-23-2007, 06:21 PM
gratewhitehuntr other options 04-23-2007, 06:38 PM
Joe Chandler Lawyers have an awesome... 04-23-2007, 07:29 PM
heliguy what age was he in 1991 was... 04-23-2007, 04:34 PM
jaegerhund Overall --- I think Ilija is... 04-23-2007, 04:40 PM
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    The other possibility would have been that it really was true in which case that could have been a pure case of statuatory, depending on the age of consent in that particular state.
    I am not saying whether he is really innocent or guilty but I do see the possibility of two punk teens doing an older guy for drugs, getting caught and crying wolf. Most parents would rather believe that the old dude raped them than that their children would put out just to score some drugs. Yes the previous rape conviction does put him in a bad light but it doesn't prove that he raped these two girls.
    I didn't attend the trial or review the evidence, but if there were inconsistencies in the testimony, he should have been acquitted. It's a defense attourney's job to defend the defendant within the limits of the law. It looks like he did a good job, so I don't see why we would be hostile to him.
    Let's not rush with tar and feathers until we know the whole story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT View Post
    The other possibility would have been that it really was true in which case that could have been a pure case of statuatory, depending on the age of consent in that particular state.
    I am not saying whether he is really innocent or guilty but I do see the possibility of two punk teens doing an older guy for drugs, getting caught and crying wolf. Most parents would rather believe that the old dude raped them than that their children would put out just to score some drugs. Yes the previous rape conviction does put him in a bad light but it doesn't prove that he raped these two girls.
    I didn't attend the trial or review the evidence, but if there were inconsistencies in the testimony, he should have been acquitted. It's a defense attourney's job to defend the defendant within the limits of the law. It looks like he did a good job, so I don't see why we would be hostile to him.
    Let's not rush with tar and feathers until we know the whole story.


    Ilija, I think you missed the point. In this case, it may be just like you said, and like this rapist claimed. It's possible, despite being highly unlikely, given his history. The point is, he was convicted of raping a 12 year old 16 years ago. Now, this is a late 40s age man, so he was still grown, and there was nothing "statutory" about the rape of the 12 year old. Why wasn't he dead or still in jail? I don't blame the defense attorney. You're right...it's his job to poke holes in a prosecutor's case. This guy should've never been free for this to be an issue, though..

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    I say tie him between poles spread eagle and sell bottle rockets *with report* with straight pins attached to the ends for 20 for $2. Proceeds to be donated to the family of the victim.

    I also advocate a free pack of 20 for a direct hit to the genitalia.


    If this happened to my daughter you would see a news story about

    " Local father who's daughter was molested charged with the murder of the aquitted defendant"

    "Police say " It appears that the accused allegedly stalked the man to his home, abducted him, took him to an undisclosed location to torture him for several days. He then both decapitated the man and cut off his genitalia. After tying both body parts at opposite ends of a shoe string he threw them over the power lines in front of the court house until they became tangled in the lines and hung there like so many tennis shoes."

    Footage at six !!

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    One thing we can count on when it comes to your posts, Grate......




    ...you certainly don't mince words!

    While I agree wholeheartedly with your anger over this issue, I'm a little sticky on the abuduction and power-line thing....

    (...but, hey, that's just wimpy little me!...)

    -he should still be rotting in prison.

    -whatever

    -Lou

    EDIT: I just re-read your original post, and realized that you were referring to if it happened to your daughter - and, in retrospect, I would probably have similar feelings.
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    Americans have a love/hate relationship with lawyers -- if we're not making movies or TV series that put them on a pedal stool we're suggesting that all lawyers should be killed --what's that saying via Shakespeare "the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" --- I've seen T shirts with this I believe. So if you hear an American suggesting to hang or kill a lawyer -- consider it just part of another American pastime
    Most Americans don't actually mean it (most that is).


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    You gotta be careful about castrating people for stuff they didn't do, because one day it could be you somebody comes after for something you're not guilty of. Everybody deserves a second chance ... well, almost everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post

    ...Everybody deserves a second chance ... well, almost everybody.

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    But it sems that the sex-offenders in particular have a high-incidence of repeat-offense. I don't know whether it's because the crime is so heinous and morally and socially repugnant (and so we as citizens are more AWARE of the repeat offense), but it seems that I'm always hearing of a repeat offender when it comes to sex crimes.

    -whatever
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    Quote Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr View Post
    I say tie him between poles spread eagle and sell bottle rockets *with report* with straight pins attached to the ends for 20 for $2. Proceeds to be donated to the family of the victim.

    I also advocate a free pack of 20 for a direct hit to the genitalia.


    If this happened to my daughter you would see a news story about

    " Local father who's daughter was molested charged with the murder of the aquitted defendant"

    "Police say " It appears that the accused allegedly stalked the man to his home, abducted him, took him to an undisclosed location to torture him for several days. He then both decapitated the man and cut off his genitalia. After tying both body parts at opposite ends of a shoe string he threw them over the power lines in front of the court house until they became tangled in the lines and hung there like so many tennis shoes."

    Footage at six !!
    I'm with you

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    I also happen to be a big fan of crucifixion... ahhh... slow suffocation... but not in this case.

    Cruel and unusual you say?

    Well, we could cover the unusual part if we did it more.

    As for cruel ...







    What has two thumbs and doesn't care?????

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    Did you hear about possible capital punishment for second conviction sex offenders in Texas? Children under 15 I think I heard.

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    Lawyers have an awesome responsibility to defend and preserve justice. In this case, they are beside the point. I'm just saying anyone who rapes a 12 year old (anyone for that matter, but especially a child) should never be released from prison. I'm torn on the death penalty...I support it wholeheartedly, but I know mistakes have, and most likely will continue to, happen. I do believe it's very rare, however. Molesters are a special case. They can't be rehabilitated, and should die, if sufficient proof exists of their guilt. In Louisiana, there are only 2 crimes for which you can be sentenced to death: First degree murder, and aggravated rape (raping someone under 12 or over 65). I've never heard of someone receiving the death penalty (in moder times, at least) for rape.

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