Thread: the movie great global warming swindle

Well I put a link to argue my point about about global warming to a video that contradicted al gore's movie. Well its seem now these guys have been caught not telling the whole truth. I still believe the sun has more to do with our current situation than co2 since it has been predicted in several calendars and alamancs that have been right on the money for thousands of years. Plus how is our CO2 emissions making the polar ice cap of the other planets in our solar system recede as well. But when someone put's out something like this and then find out they weren't exactly right about it, it really makes you not want to trust anything else they say. Man we are being lied to by everyone from every direction on this issue just so they can say they are right and we are wrong. All well. Heres the article.

LONDON (AP) -- A group of British climate scientists is demanding changes to a skeptical documentary about global warming, saying there are grave errors in the program billed as a response to Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth."

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" aired on British television in March and is coming out soon on DVD. It argues that man-made emissions have a marginal impact on the world's climate and warming can better be explained by changing patterns of solar activity.
An open letter sent Tuesday by 38 scientists, including the former heads of Britain's academy of sciences and Britain's weather office, called on producer Wag TV to remove what it called "major misrepresentations" from the film before the DVD release -- a demand its director said was tantamount to censorship.
Bob Ward, the former spokesman for the Royal Society, Britain's academy of science, and one of the letter's signatories, said director Mark Durkin made a "long catalog of fundamental and profound mistakes" -- including the claim that volcanoes produce more carbon dioxide than humans, and that the Earth's atmosphere was warmer during the Middle Ages than it is today.
"Free speech does not extend to misleading the public by making factually inaccurate statements," he said. "Somebody has to stand up for the public interest here."
Durkin called the letter "loathsome."
"This is a contemptible, weasel-worded attempt to gag scientific criticism, and it won't work," he said. "I don't believe they're interested in quality control when it comes to the reporting of science -- so long as it's on their side."
Durkin acknowledged two of the errors highlighted by the scientists -- including the claim about volcanic emissions -- but he described those changes as minor and said they would be corrected in the expanded DVD release.
But the scientists do not want the DVD released without edits to completely remove the material they object to -- something Ward said would fatally weaken the film's argument.
"The fact is that it's a very convincing program, and if you're not very aware of the science you wouldn't necessarily see what the errors are," Ward said. "But the errors are huge. ... Without those errors in, he doesn't have a story."
Ward has also complained to Britain's media regulator, which said it was investigating the matter. British broadcast law demands impartiality on matters of major political and industrial controversy -- and penalties can be imposed for misrepresentations of fact.
The decision to broadcast Durkin's documentary on Channel 4 was an unusual move in a country where the role of man-made carbon emissions in heating the globe is largely taken for granted and politicians regularly spar over which party has the greenest environmental policy. As for the former vice president, Gore has been hired as an adviser to the British government, which plans to send copies of his film to schools around England.

That's interesting - I did watch the link that you posted the other day, and in fact forwarded it on to a couple of friends - I shall have to research out this latest article that you refer to and forward it along, as well.

I believe that there are two sides to every argument, and that the debate over man's influence on Global Warming is not over....as we discussed earlier, this issue has been SO politicized, and clouded by marginal (if not down right wrong) science that, at this point, I have a hard time buying into either sides arguments.

Thanks for posting this.

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-Lou

Originally Posted by scarface

I believe that there are two sides to every argument, and that the debate over man's influence on Global Warming is not over....as we discussed earlier, this issue has been SO politicized, and clouded by marginal (if not down right wrong) science that, at this point, I have a hard time buying into either sides arguments.


-whatever

-Lou

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Gospel according to Lou ---- let us pray.

Justin

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Gospel according to Lou ---- let us pray.

Justin

Let us say the pimps prayer...

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Gospel according to Lou ---- let us pray.

Justin

Pray loud and pray long, for my list of transgressions is lengthy!

Originally Posted by custommartini

Let us say the pimps prayer...

....although, I haven't done THAT one, yet!

-whatever

-Lou

Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

Well I put a link to argue my point about about global warming to a video that contradicted al gore's movie. Well its seem now these guys have been caught not telling the whole truth.

I'm not surprised. the Climate Change argument has been coming around from observable data over many decades. The Climate Change deniers are simply reacting too quickly without enough observation.

Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

I still believe the sun has more to do with our current situation than co2 since it has been predicted in several calendars and alamancs that have been right on the money for thousands of years. Plus how is our CO2 emissions making the polar ice cap of the other planets in our solar system recede as well.

Specifically I gather you mean 'polar icecap of another planet in our system'. The almanac predictions (which ones?) and Mars' icecap are likely tied together. Mars has a pretty irregular orbit and currently, when it goes into perihelion (gets closest to the sun) it is summer in the southern hemisphere, where the icecap is and experiences dramatically stormy, hot summers in that hemisphere. Its proximity to the sun at these times also stirs up activity from our star. Since all planets also slowly revolve within their orbits, Mars' perihelion has had its perihelion rolling form its northern to southern hemisphere for countless eons. Now it's time for the south pole to start acting up. A Martian almanac would predict that pretty accurately since the change there would be quite dramatic.

Originally Posted by custommartini

Let us say the pimps prayer...

I don't know that one. How does it go?

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The almanac predictions (which ones?)

The farmers almanac's are pretty good. If I'm not mistaken they new that the el nino's would be coming and suggested different crops. The aztec calender wich has been proven far more accurate than our own also predicted that at that point in the cycle that we would be heating up. There calendar reset's ever 3600 years or so and predicts heating, and cooling based on 3600 years. We will know soon if there right or just part of there religion since they claim every 3600 years another planet will enter out solar system and play havoc with every planet. It is supposed to pass between us and the sun so everyone will see it. If it does exist. December 21st, 2012 is supposed to be the big day. They have been right so far on many comets, well see about this one.

Anyone ever hear of an ice age??

Climate change is a constant.

I suppose all the mammoths were driving around in their cars or some crap that caused that right?

I'm not saying that the planet isn't getting hotter.
I know it is.

X knows because winter has gone to hell up nort eh!

The only thing I would like to point out is that other than drowning people in Bangladesh (picture Sam Kinison screaming "MOVE" about people living in the desert) which who cares anyway, I don't see what the BFD is.

Oh, thats right, I said I don't care if the Bangladesies (sp) die.
Damn planet is overpopulated anyway.

It's about time something happened to break our growth streak.

I'll be on the high ground if you need me.

Two words : New Orleans

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

... I don't see what the BFD is.

Well, it's estimated that we're losing dozens of species of micro-organisms from the oceans every day. The Polar Bears are losing the ice they need to hunt and migrate on and could be extinct within the decade. The boreal flowers are beginning to bloom twice a year which makes them less reproductive each year. The list goes on and on, but if you don't care until it's in your own back yard then you won't notice until it's too late.

Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

The farmers almanac's are pretty good.

They're wrong more often than they're right, actually.

Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

The aztec calender wich has been proven far more accurate than our own also predicted that at that point in the cycle that we would be heating up. There calendar reset's ever 3600 years or so and predicts heating, and cooling based on 3600 years. We will know soon if there right or just part of there religion since they claim every 3600 years another planet will enter out solar system and play havoc with every planet. It is supposed to pass between us and the sun so everyone will see it. If it does exist. December 21st, 2012 is supposed to be the big day. They have been right so far on many comets, well see about this one.

There's nothing about predictions in the Aztec calendar at all, It's merely a time measuring tool. Nothing is expected to happen in December of 2012, that's simply when they decided to stop counting. Superstitions abound about it however.

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