Thread: do you think we will have a new Waco over this

This is just another reason drugs are bad for you...
It's like not putting gas in your car because you don't feel your car ought to run on gas. Put their silly bums in a jail cell, no visitations, make them work to earn what they owe and work until they've payed everything off. Ugh. I pay taxes - social security in particular - that I'll probably never see a penny of again. I don't complain. I do my part, you do yours, we move along.

It's turning out to be bigger than those two. There has been a huge movement since Joe Banister and IRS agent quit the IRS and is holding seminars and schools taxes saying it is unlawful for the irs to collect income tax. Arron Ruso also made a new film called freedom to facism that has some truly compelling arguments.
Because of this many people are now flocking to New Hampshire at this fellows place with all the guns and ammo they can carry determined that it's there patriotic duty to stand up and are hoping for a big televised fight like waco.
It will be interesting to see how the goverment reacts and how many people are just saying they will fight to the end and how many will actually do it. I just hope cooler heads prevail and New Hampshire dosn't have to go through what Texas did in Waco.

Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

It's turning out to be bigger than those two. There has been a huge movement since Joe Banister and IRS agent quit the IRS and is holding seminars and schools taxes saying it is unlawful for the irs to collect income tax.

That was what I meant.

I'm a wingnut and still pay taxes.

Interesting remarks from GW earlier.

A friend of mine calls himself a true republican, and he claims that Bush and co. are not republicans. They pretend to be to get the votes. He said that real conservatives dislike bush as much as democrats do.

the 2008 elections will be very interesting indeed. Or rather, the preelections. It's a shame that there can be only 1 rep and 1 dem in the final elections.
I think if you are going to have a president, use the French voting system, where the elections have to end with a >51% vote for one candidate. If that is not achieved in the first round, then the 2 candidates with the most votes face each other in a final round.

That way, there could be multiple candidates for each party.

Another change for the good would be (IMO) if the electoral vote for a state got divided proportionally with the public vote for that state.

This is just an outsiders idea about it obviously.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Interesting remarks from GW earlier.

A friend of mine calls himself a true republican, and he claims that Bush and co. are not republicans. They pretend to be to get the votes. He said that real conservatives dislike bush as much as democrats do.

I was a republican until bush as well. I grew up in a religous community of only 300 people where there was nothing but god. And I find bush scarry. He is not a republican but a neo-con in republican clothing. Hillary isn't a democrat but a liberal in democrat clothing. There are now only two parties the liberal and the neo-cons. The democrats and republicans have lost there parties all together. I would love to see the democrats kick the liberals out and force them to make there own liberal party, for the republicans to kick the neo-cons out and make there own party so people who still insist on voting strictly for the party would know who they vote for and the consequences of it. It's rather sickening to see republicans who don't agree with bush still towing the line because they fear for there positions. We have become a nation of cowards and unfortunatly will pay dearly to get our country back if we ever get it back.

Amen Jimmy, amen.

I said this in another thread the other day.


The Right is now where the Left used to be.
There are precious few conservatives remaining and with our style of government being what it is, there isn't nuch they can do.
Most of the Republicans are disingenuous at best and many are downright liars.
They use the true conservatives and religious people as "useful idiots" as Rush says.
The days of small government and the fiscally conservative Rockefeller Republicans are gone forever.
Neo-cons is right.

The Democrats are in fact Social Democrats and Liberals.
Radical Liberalism and Socialism are going to be the order of the day in the next election.

As much as I would like to vote for a Republican next year 1) I want my vote to count and since most ignorant people will vote Democrat blindly, I must try to pick the most moderate Democrat.
2) I can't see who the Right can field that even has a chance.

This leaves me with Obama and maybe Richardson.

I think Fred Thompson might have a shot if he'll run. Rudy's got the strongest shot, because even left leaners might vote for him. Rudy's probably the most moderate. Conservative on some issues, liberal on others (which virtually guarantees the religious right wing won't support him). I could vote for a liberal if they really were...but American Democrats really should just change their name to reflect what they really are; the Socialist Party.