Thread: Cecil the Lion

This whole thing will blow over,zimbabwe makes millions off of legal Safaris each year.
Besides,the natives poisen the lions to cull them and protect thier Livstock.

Originally Posted by Pithor

My wording was off, you are correct. It did bring a lot of attention. I do feel that this is alleviating a negative situation at best, sort of like whatever you call the positive inversion of collateral damage.

Sadly though, people's attention span is short and often their principles highly flexible. To state the obvious: positive side-effects are positive, but they are only side-effects.

Agreed

Sadly, that is all too true.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

This whole thing will blow over,zimbabwe makes millions off of legal Safaris each year.
Besides,the natives poisen the lions to cull them and protect thier Livstock.

In Finland, reindeer farmers poach wolves to protect their cattle (even though they are financially reimbursed for every reindeer killed by a predator or in traffic accidents). And yes, in certain circumstances, it is possible to get a permit to put down a wolf. All that does not make it okay for foreigners to come and hunt them illegally.

Only comment I am going to make on the subject is that one must be a rather poor guide/ hunter to resort to luring an animal off a protected area to kill it. Unsportsmanlike conduct if there is such a thing for trophy hunters.

Originally Posted by furious

Only comment I am going to make on the subject is that one must be a rather poor guide/ hunter to resort to luring an animal off a protected area to kill it. Unsportsmanlike conduct if there is such a thing for trophy hunters.

No just greedy as I am fairly sure this particular lion was the intended target of the luring/baiting. What better trophy than the rarer black maned lion.

Bob

Seems there is another person accused of illegally hunting and killing a lion in a separate incident Pennsylvania gynecologist accused of illegally killing lion in Hwange National Park with bow and arrow | National Post . Odd isn't it that bows were the weapon of choice in both cases, wonder why under the circumstances.

Bob

Originally Posted by furious

Only comment I am going to make on the subject is that one must be a rather poor guide/ hunter to resort to luring an animal off a protected area to kill it. Unsportsmanlike conduct if there is such a thing for trophy hunters.

I wonder how much Palmer paid them to do this?

Originally Posted by BobH

In Ontario try jack lighting here and see what happens if you are caught. You can't hunt at night.

Again you guys really should at least search your own laws before making off the cuff remarks

It took me less then one minute to find that using a light is legal in Ontario for certain species.. (Most often these are Predator, Varmint or Furbearing species on this side of the world)

Also the 40 hour track is an important part here about donating the meat which is the common practice in areas if Native people even want it.. After 40 hours depending on the bow shot (I am assuming it wasn't a good one since the lion went 40 hours) the meat was most likely tainted..

This is exactly why guides Guides and PH's are relied upon to keep a hunt legal and ethical..
I am not saying this one was, I personally wasn't there to know, the money is big here, and the PH is working for a tip also..


But the realities of Trophy hunting seem to be lost on most, as it really is all about what the media told you to believe in a Twitter and FB fed frenzy

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Originally Posted by Pithor

What really grinds my gears though, is the "good people moral outrage", especially the "...but I'm not getting out of this chair" variety (Tweet, tweet, blog, blog!!!"¤¤%21") and ensuing mob justice. I cannot think of anything more disturbing and uglier than a hysterical pitchfork mob deciding what is right or wrong, heading to the castle to slay the evil, subhuman monster.

Edit:
Also this isn't always in poor countries, You have to really search for it now but Steven Segal was actually caught up in an "Illegal" guided Elk hunt in Colorado...

His guide took him across a Unit Boundary line to shoot a Bull Elk...

The guide was charged and lost his license IIRC this was back in the 80's

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Again you guys really should at least search your own laws before making off the cuff remarks

It took me less then one minute to find that using a light is legal in Ontario for certain species.. (Most often these are Predator, Varmint or Furbearing species on this side of the world)

http://www.ontario.ca/faq/are-people...-game-night-if

http://www.rondacamp.com/images/Blac...egulations.pdf

This definitely applies to big game species normally hunted in Ontario, moose, deer, and bear .

The only thing I can find that says you can use a spot light/jack light is in connection with raccoon hunting under the small game licence.

http://files.ontario.ca/environment-...ife/239852.pdf

Legal hunting for most game is normally between 1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 after sunset so you really don't need to jack light, unless you are after raccoon.

Trapping regulations maybe different regarding jack lighting for the holder of a valid trappers licence. Not many licensed big/small game animal hunters have those.

Bob

Ugly people killing beautiful animals for the fun of it: disgusting.