Thread: President of the US of A

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

In many respects he is a product of the media.

At this point, every politician is a product of the media. Some just are better at it than others.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

OK, so thebigspendur raised another thing I've been hearing about but really don't fully understand.

I've heard several times now that Trump has been criticised by people within the party he is representing. I understand the idea of factions within parties, we have that here too. But just what proportion of the Republican party supports Trump, and what proportion doesn't? And which proportion?

Is his support from the extreme right factions within the party? Do they represent a large proportion of the party? If they don't (ie they are a small proportion) does that mean the party is at the mercy of this Presidential nomination process? They can only put up nominees, and then the rest is up to the voters in the primaries (is that the right terminology)? Whoever wins is the Party's Presidential candidate, whether the majority of the Party likes it or not?

James.

Trump is not supported by approximately 65% of the conservatives out there. So I'd say that his support is not from the extreme right.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Personally I think Trump is the perfect match for this country and what it has become. Folks who are easily swayed, folks who are gullible, folks who don't think for themselves and probably believe in Santa Claus. Just maybe the Republican establishment is so against trump not just because he is a threat to them but maybe they realize he would be a really terrible President.

Personally, (and I don't believe in conspiracies) however in this case I think the divisiveness in this country didn't just happen as some organic event but it has been totally orchestrated and controlled by interests in this country who would profit by it. You just need to ask yourself who that would be and you have your answer. I doubt the creators would have guessed how successful it has become.

Unfortunately things like that often get out of hand in a very bad way.

I'll bet the founding father's are all turning over in their graves right now.

I firmly believe that this was started by the Establishment republicans. They knew there would be a large crowd gathering with every media outlet, send in some instigators to get things going. Recipe for disaster. These tactics have been used in the past.

I tell you what if Sanders wasn't a socialist he would beat Clinton hands down.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I've heard several times now that Trump has been criticised by people within the party he is representing. I understand the idea of factions within parties, we have that here too. But just what proportion of the Republican party supports Trump, and what proportion doesn't? And which proportion?

There's been a lot of writing on this recently because it's a rather unusual candidacy.
He isn't representing any of the major party factions (evangelicals, 'tea party', libertarian, moderate, and 'establishment'). As far as I can tell he's primarily a populist running against the party orthodoxy (anti-immigration, protectionism). There's a relatively large constituency that used to be in the democratic party but has moved in the republican which wants that but until now hasn't had the power or the representation. They don't care much about 'small government', or 'the culture wars' - they want a government that prioritizes their values.

So far the vote for Trump has been around 35% and 65% for others. As other candidates drop some of their vote may or may not go to Trump and people argue that their preferred result is what is going to happen. But from now on most contests are winner take all (states vote on different days from february to may or june), so even with plurality when the vote is split among several candidates Trump may still win enough delegates to secure the nomination as the presidential candidate of the republican party.

And then comes the general election for the actual job when all states vote on the same day and virtually all are winner take all. If the republican party cannot mobilize behind their official nominee they will lose. If they can, they have a chance to win. If the economy tanks by then they will most likely win no matter who they nominate.

But if Trump becomes president he will be the head of the republican party and will be representing both the party and the USA.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

it's the far right that supports him and they are very vocal

Not even close, The far right hates Trump...

The hateful Rhetoric from Trump has to stop it has created a toxic environment:


"I don't want to quell anger, I think people have a right to be angry, I am angry too"

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because I understand the people of Philly like a good brawl"

"I know the Special Interest Groups and Lobbyists, are getting ready for a fight, and my message to them is "So am I""



Oh wait I messed up, those quotes are not from Trump, those are from Barack Hussein Obama


So Sorry for the confusion

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The hateful Rhetoric from Trump has to stop it has created a toxic environment:


"I don't want to quell anger, I think people have a right to be angry, I am angry too"

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because I understand the people of Philly like a good brawl"

"I know the Special Interest Groups and Lobbyists, are getting ready for a fight, and my message to them is "So am I""



Oh wait I messed up, those quotes are not from Trump, those are from Barack Hussein Obama


So Sorry for the confusion

No that's impossible, he's too mealy mouthed and chicken hearted to ever say something like that.

Har har.

Recent polls show Clinton beating Trump by a spread of +6.3, Cruz and Rubio beating Clinton by +0.8 and +4.0 respectively. Kasich beats Clinton +7.4

Too bad if the GOP picked the wrong horse.

And if Sanders gets the Dem nomination, the polls have him beating all the GOP candidates:

Trump by +10
Cruz by +9.7
Rubio by 3.3
Kasich by only +0.5

We had our primary earlier in the week. The apathy was rampant, although the political pukes had filled up my machine's tape, again, before noon on election day (I was voter # 57 around halfway through voting hours). Here you don't have to be a registered whatever, so you could chose on the spot whichever rich, fat & pandering New Yorker you wanted to vote against. Unless the hoi polloi wake up, this will be the saddest election year for the Elephant since 1964.

I'm still thinking Trump is taking money from Billary, the White House is likely too gauche for the Donald, and anyway alot of the good furnishings got swiped in January 2001 .. Besides, it (being Prez) might resemble work more than being on a Reality (really) show on the Idiot Box, or speculating with daddy's money.

I can't wait for November 2nd, when all the actors will be on private jets headed someplace warm, we can only wish them to be one way jaunts to a particular place that's really warm ... and hope that this too shall pass