Thread: President of the US of A

Maybe a cow town country then but already knee deep in world politics of the time. Pushing back against the largest empire of the era and forming political and business alliances to get it done was no small feat. Even by today's standards. Those founding fathers were far from being country bumpkins and a had a very sophisticated view of the world and the role of the Gov't they set to create.

Originally Posted by Kmcmichael

The comments regarding a need of political experience ignore the fact that the founding fathers never intended for political office to be a profession.

I don't think that's the case. At best they didn't care one way or another.
Thomas Jefferson, the principle author of the Declaration of Independence which would make him the chief founding father can be most accurately described as a career politician.

Originally Posted by Kmcmichael

The comments regarding a need of political experience ignore the fact that the founding fathers never intended for political office to be a profession. Many in other countries show admiration for Obama and disdain for Bush. How much difference is there. Having spent time in Iraq, I consider it a bad decision. But I consider any war other than all out a bad decision. Obama has proven very divisive for the US. I doubt Trump could be worse.
The overriding factor is many of us are voting against Hillary.

Sure why wouldn't they admire Osama I mean Obama. They are free to do what they want with no consequence. We have become a joke. Trump is right lets get our pride back.

Someone please tell me why they think a guy born with 3 silver spoons in his mouth and spent his formative years as a playboy and doesn't have a clue what it means to be a working man and who tells his audience what they want to hear and keeps changing his storyline would make a good President and should be believed.

It's all a mystery to me.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Someone please tell me why they think a guy born with 3 silver spoons in his mouth and spent his formative years as a playboy and doesn't have a clue what it means to be a working man and who tells his audience what they want to hear and keeps changing his storyline would make a good President and should be believed.

It's all a mystery to me.

And the other candidates aren't eating with silver spoons?

Originally Posted by Razorfaust

Maybe a cow town country then but already knee deep in world politics of the time. Pushing back against the largest empire of the era and forming political and business alliances to get it done was no small feat. Even by today's standards. Those founding fathers were far from being country bumpkin and a had a very sophisticated view of the world and the role of the Gov't they set to create.

[Cangooner places his historian hat atop his noggin]

Sophisticated? Absolutely. But don't forget they were sophisticated in a late-18th century world. Much has changed since then, and saying that they could not have conceived of the world we now lice in is not in any way a slight on them, their intelligence, or their foresight. In 250 years, people will look back at the smartest amongst us and wonder how we could have been so wrong about X or Y. Things change in unforeseeable ways.

[Cangooner removes his historian hat, and returns everyone to their regularly scheduled debate]

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The founding fathers could never have conceived the kind of world we are living in now and the position this country has in it. Back then we were a cow town country.

Very true but, the basic principles the founders used to formulate the government of the United States were based upon human nature, and human nature has never changed, and never will.

Originally Posted by gugi

I don't think that's the case. At best they didn't care one way or another.
Thomas Jefferson, the principle author of the Declaration of Independence which would make him the chief founding father can be most accurately described as a career politician.

Jefferson may have authored the original DRAFT of the Declaration of Independence, but the the final version was heavily edited by committees formed of other founders. Chief Founding Father?? I think Jefferson would find that ridiculous, although he probably would agree about being a career politician albeit reluctantly.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Someone please tell me why they think a guy born with 3 silver spoons in his mouth and spent his formative years as a playboy and doesn't have a clue what it means to be a working man and who tells his audience what they want to hear and keeps changing his storyline would make a good President and should be believed.

It's all a mystery to me.

It's all about character. Lincoln was probably one of, if not the most, ill prepared men with the least amount of experience, to be president, especially considering the fact that he was about to enter the executive office on the eve of the "Civil War." But Lincoln had a noble character. I believe it was Lincolns character that made him possibly the greatest American president ever. Trump on the other hand...

Originally Posted by honedright

Jefferson may have authored the original DRAFT of the Declaration of Independence, but the the final version was heavily edited by committees formed of other founders. Chief Founding Father?? I think Jefferson would find that ridiculous, although he probably would agree about being a career politician albeit reluctantly.

No point of quibbling over a tongue-in-cheek remark, especially when it begins to distract from what really matters. The point is that his job record speaks for itself:
June 20, 1775 – September 26, 1776: Delegate to the Second Continental Congress from Virginia
June 1, 1779 – June 3, 1781: Governor of Virginia
November 3, 1783 – May 7, 1784: Delegate to the Congress of the Confederation from Virginia
May 17, 1785 – September 26, 1789: United States Minister to France
March 22, 1790 – December 31, 1793: United States Secretary of State
March 4, 1797 – March 4, 1801: Vice President of the United States
March 4, 1801 – March 4, 1809: President of the United States

I think he took those positions as reluctantly as Paul Ryan the speakership of the House, or Donald Trump the republican nomination - primarily for the good of the country

But history tends to judge politicians by their accomplishments, not by their motivations. Which means that we'll have to wait and see what president Trump or president Clinton will accomplish. Just like the Louisiana purchase ended up in the history books as a 'tremendous deal', to use the parlance of our time, despite being deemed anti-constitutional and executive power grab at the time.