Thread: President of the US of A

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

So Clinton had thousands of classified documents on her private server.

You guys should stop reading the right wing press and get the facts. No classified docs have been found on her server. Some were classified after the fact but that is not a criminal act on her part.

Like I said before just because you guys wish she was guilty of something doesn't make it happen but keep trying I'm sure you'll come up with something racy and if you don't well just keep making it up.

By the way I'm amused with how they are referring to Trumps supporters as Trumpanzees-har har.

Maybe Ms. Clinton should sue the AP and the Obama administration?

"WASHINGTON — The Obama administration confirmed for the first time Friday that Hillary Clinton's unsecured home server contained some of the U.S. government's most closely guarded secrets, censoring 22 emails with material demanding one of the highest levels of classification. The revelation comes just three days before the Iowa presidential nominating caucuses in which Clinton is a candidate.

The State Department will release its next batch of emails from Clinton's time as secretary of state later Friday.

But The Associated Press has learned seven email chains are being withheld in full because they contain information deemed to be "top secret." The 37 pages include messages recently described by a key intelligence official as concerning so-called "special access programs" — a highly restricted subset of classified material that could point to confidential sources or clandestine programs like drone strikes or government eavesdropping."

Have a great day...

Well it's said that the "cream rises to the top"... but turds float too.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

To me it's just incredible this country is agonizing over this issue.

I mean, if folks are afraid someone will go into an opposite sex bathroom with bad intentions well anyone can put on a wig and change clothes and do it anyway and probably have in the past but the media hasn't ginned it up.

It is sick, perverse. Just as the 'gay' marriage thing. A sick society and going down the tubes the way Rome, among others did. When I was a pre-teen guys my age used to say, "Boy, I wish I was your age, and knew what I know now." I'm glad I'm one foot in the grave and wouldn't be a young person in this world for love nor money.

The transgendered are a small percentage of the people here in the USA, so tell me this: How in Hades do they have more rights than the majority?

This new "bill or executive order" or whatever it is apparently goes for locker rooms too. So imagine, pubescence boys having access to your girls locker room.

The true question to it all is what is really going on behind the scenes while we are all up in arms over pervs...

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I'm glad I'm one foot in the grave and wouldn't be a young person in this world for love nor money.

I bet some old people felt exactly the same when your generation forced such things as the sexual revolution on their perfectly good society.


As far as transgender bathrooms - it's all about politics and power. It started in an attempt to derail Donald Trump's nomination, and then it changed into consolidating the religious conservatives to make Trump take a rightward turn if he wants them as a block. Remember, he was pretty nonchalant on the matter.
Whether it will work is yet to be seen - Trumps' path to the presidency is to the left not to the right.

I think Obama is putting more pressure on it because it is a fault line on the republican side.

Originally Posted by Suticat

So ask yourself how does changing a few labels, that a vast majority of country have no clue exists, improve our nation? What is it going to change that's going to make such a massively huge difference in our lives that we will forever be changed?

I have asked myself this question and what I have come up with is that the 'small and insignificant' things is where you see the truth.

For example in this case, I can think of all the big words about USA being great because it stands for principles, inalienable rights, high regards for the individual, and protecting the small and weak from the oppression of the big and powerful.

But whether there is any substance behind those words, or they're just something people like to say to make themselves feel good about themselves is shown in the small details of how they apply them in practice when there is a marginalized group.
More or less along the idea that a person's true self is about how they behave when they think nobody is looking - do they still make the 'right' choice when it costs them something and the only benefit is that they are doing what is 'right'.

I mean we all believe in these things culturally, given the great books, movies, songs and so on we like, but how deep and how fragile is our belief?

This is the best I have come up with on why this bill may be a good thing.

Originally Posted by gugi

I think Obama is putting more pressure on it because it is a fault line on the republican side.

I think he is the Donald's greatest campaign advocate. When people years ago told me he was evil, and was trying to destroy this country I didn't believe them. Now I concur.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I think he is the Donald's greatest campaign advocate. When people years ago told me he was evil, and was trying to destroy this country I didn't believe them. Now I concur.

I think what you are saying is that people hate Obama so much, that they will vote for Trump. Presumably because even though Obama is not on the ballot Clinton is seen as the same as him.

But this has nothing to do with Obama being advocate for Trump - that argument is even stronger if one of the other candidates had gotten the republican nomination because Trump is the closest to Obama in the whole field.
This is why the republican side is so divided even after settling on a nominee.

Or, are you saying that Obama does want Trump to become a president in order to finish destroying this country since he couldn't quite manage in 8 years?

Originally Posted by gugi

... a person's true self is about how they behave when they think nobody is looking - do they still make the 'right' choice when it costs them something and the only benefit is that they are doing what is 'right'.

No truer words ever spoken, or posted, Gugi. But in a world where "right" (and I believe you are using the word "right" in the context of "what is the good") becomes more and more relative to one's own individual values, and the ancient standards, the stalwarts, of what is "right" or "good" become more and more trivialized and blurred; and when we can rationalize away and reject science and biology that says this is male, and this is female, this is human and this is not, then what is right? What is good? Is it just whatever you want it to be?

I think I have a solution to the toilet issue - if you sit down to pee, use the ladies, but not if you are a man. If you normally stand up to pee but don't feel comfortable doing it in front of men - use the ladies, as long as you are wearing female clothes.