Thread: President of the US of A

The founding fathers could never have conceived the kind of world we are living in now and the position this country has in it. Back then we were a cow town country.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The founding fathers could never have conceived the kind of world we are living in now and the position this country has in it. Back then we were a cow town country.

Very true but, the basic principles the founders used to formulate the government of the United States were based upon human nature, and human nature has never changed, and never will.

Originally Posted by honedright

Very true but, the basic principles the founders used to formulate the government of the United States were based upon human nature, and human nature has never changed, and never will.

Outstanding, it angers that I did not say that.

How is what Trump is doing and saying any different than any other politician seeking to take advantage of social and economic unrest. He is naming certain groups as scapegoats to be feared and wants to tear up trade agreements in a global economy. All this will bring pride, jobs and respect back to the US according to him.

You have an electorate unhappy with the way things are, looking for a messiah to lead them to a better place and Trump is claiming to be that something different with the answers. Almost seems to be the same type of conditions that allowed uncle Adolf to successfully use similar tactics to get elected. I am NOT saying Trump is the same as Hitler only that circumstances and methods appear to me to be similar.

How it all eventually shakes out remains to be seen. Interesting to say the least.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

How is what Trump is doing and saying any different than any other politician seeking to take advantage of social and economic unrest. He is naming certain groups as scapegoats to be feared and wants to tear up trade agreements in a global economy. All this will bring pride, jobs and respect back to the US according to him.

You have an electorate unhappy with the way things are, looking for a messiah to lead them to a better place and Trump is claiming to be that something different with the answers. Almost seems to be the same type of conditions that allowed uncle Adolf to successfully use similar tactics to get elected. I am NOT saying Trump is the same as Hitler only that circumstances and methods appear to me to be similar.

How it all eventually shakes out remains to be seen. Interesting to say the least.

Bob

Oh you don't have to go that far back

"You have an electorate unhappy with the way things are, looking for a messiah to lead them to a better place and Obama is claiming to be that something different with the answers. Almost seems to be the same type of conditions that allowed uncle Adolf to successfully use similar tactics to get elected. I am NOT saying Obama is the same as Hitler only that circumstances and methods appear to me to be similar."



Things that make ya go Hmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Things that make ya go Hmmmmmmm

Yeah, the more superficially one looks, the more similarities one can find.

I don't remember Obama scapegoating groups. I remember him being the 'hope and change', 'no more blue states and red states' politician. I even think he may have thought it possible for a while, given that he dismantled his election propaganda machine when he took office.

But yeah, many of his voters did think of him as a mesiah figure that will single handedly make everything good, and his opposition tried very hard to make it a liability. But that was 2008, by 2012 people had a pretty good idea about the guy and he was elected again on his governing merits without the 'making history' and 'hope and change' parts.

Sweet

Trump is in Spokane today, think I might head down to the rally if I can still get in was getting full last I heard


Need me one of those Red hats

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Oh you don't have to go that far back

"You have an electorate unhappy with the way things are, looking for a messiah to lead them to a better place and Obama is claiming to be that something different with the answers. Almost seems to be the same type of conditions that allowed uncle Adolf to successfully use similar tactics to get elected. I am NOT saying Obama is the same as Hitler only that circumstances and methods appear to me to be similar."



Things that make ya go Hmmmmmmm

Like I said "How is what Trump is doing and saying any different than any other politician seeking to take advantage of social and economic unrest.". With emphasis on "any" other politician without bias towards any political party. Point being Trump is just another politician and likely not the long awaited messiah leading the way to the promised land.

One difference that I can see is that most post WWII politicians in western (formerly)industrialized countries tended to shy away from the politics of hate and scapegoating. Probably because of the likes of Hitler and what he was able to accomplish by those methods.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

Like I said "How is what Trump is doing and saying any different than any other politician seeking to take advantage of social and economic unrest.". With emphasis on "any" other politician without bias towards any political party. Point being Trump is just another politician and likely not the long awaited messiah leading the way to the promised land.

One difference that I can see is that most post WWII politicians in western (formerly)industrialized countries tended to shy away from the politics of hate and scapegoating. Probably because of the likes of Hitler and what he was able to accomplish by those methods.

Bob

No one is looking for a messiah. If he does 10% of what he talks about that will be an improvement. People want jobs perhaps he can bring some back. The current trade agreements are a one way street not going our way. If anyone thinks that clinton will improve anything in this country is not being honest. She has been involved one way or another in everything that has gone on in the last who knows how long. In fact I challenge anyone to name 1 positive thing she has accomplished. At least Trump brings an unknown entity to the table. And lets be honest are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? Is this country better off? I know i'm not. Look at what he has accomplished getting to this point, it was remarkable if you think about it. I would never say never with this guy. I am willing to give it a shot.