Thread: President of the US of A

Originally Posted by prodigy

I think the trump train can't be stopped. As much as I hate to say this next comment, I'm a realist and I believe it to be true. If hillary wins there will be another civil war. Who do you think will win? The gun fearing liberals or the doomsday prepping conservatives?

Therein may be a false dichotomy, who says anyone will win?

As I see it the left supports the policies that make them cry, and the right tries to change those policies and is accused of being cold and heartless by the left. Around and around it goes.

Originally Posted by honedright

Sounds like an embedded sophist's argument against ownership of private property. Anyone who's successfully built a business knows that they did build that.

The problem with Obamas speech is that is does not address the fact that everyone enjoys the same "fruits" of government spending, yet some create more from it than others. It also suggests that we all pay equally into that government. I don't need to break down the imbalance that the rich pay in taxes vs. the rest of the population. In % it may be less but in real dollars, its more. That's another argument completely so lets not get derailed. Obama's argument is that somebody else made that happen when in fact the person that made that happen is likely the same person that built that. Then when you consider the participation rate in the workforce, you see that we have a huge number of people not building anything or making any contribution at all. If he wants to talk about the upper hand that one group has, he has to address the lack of contribution another group is making. But you see, this is exactly the argument his ilk would prefer. Because while we complain about the rich and poor, gov't stands on the sideline and benefits from it.

Originally Posted by prodigy

I think the trump train can't be stopped. As much as I hate to say this next comment, I'm a realist and I believe it to be true. If hillary wins there will be another civil war. Who do you think will win? The gun fearing liberals or the doomsday prepping conservatives?

Progressive Liberal DemocRATS, will have a future in Biofuels as feed stock, so will the Criminals on wall street and in D.C. That is all.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

The problem with Obamas speech is that is does not address the fact that everyone enjoys the same "fruits" of government spending, yet some create more from it than others. It also suggests that we all pay equally into that government. I don't need to break down the imbalance that the rich pay in taxes vs. the rest of the population. In % it may be less but in real dollars, its more. That's another argument completely so lets not get derailed. Obama's argument is that somebody else made that happen when in fact the person that made that happen is likely the same person that built that. Then when you consider the participation rate in the workforce, you see that we have a huge number of people not building anything or making any contribution at all. If he wants to talk about the upper hand that one group has, he has to address the lack of contribution another group is making. But you see, this is exactly the argument his ilk would prefer. Because while we complain about the rich and poor, gov't stands on the sideline and benefits from it.

I don't know, last time I checked I noticed I wasn't receiving any fruits from farm subsidies, medical insurance subsidies, or housing subsidies. But I'm pretty sure I paid into those. So what gives?

Originally Posted by honedright

I don't know, last time I checked I noticed I wasn't receiving any fruits from farm subsidies, medical insurance subsidies, or housing subsidies. But I'm pretty sure I paid into those. So what gives?

What gives is that you and I share similar views. You just don't realize that yet.

In my mind trickle down economics is a balance of wealth exercised into the populace by a diverse means of investments or even acquiring items of luxury that so many folks frown upon as excessive rich folk behavior. Some simple examples Joe rich guy has some extra money he wants to put it to work so he buys a plot of land erects an office building or a hotel as an investment and as a result has employed builders,electricians, plumbers, computer specialists, managers, security people, maintenance people, Chefs line cooks sanitation folk even parking attendants. Another act could be that Joe rich guy buys a gulf stream private jet or a yacht which of course makes both private aviation and the maritime industry employed with all its support. Many folks would find "Joe the rich guy" a jerk for having all those things and the govt would love to tax this guy into the dirt so they can spend his money studying owl turd differences during the threat of global warming. I bet that sea capt and the jet mechanics as well all the people that take care of Joes fine stuff are happy hes got it.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

What gives is that you and I share similar views. You just don't realize that yet.

No, I understand exactly what you are saying.

One thing that divisive Obama excels at is creating scapegoats. Pitting one faction against another as a ruse to distract attention. So that while Americans are all in a huff over poor vs rich, black vs white, etc, he, and his cronies, is out selling the country off to the United Nations and nobody seems to care or notice.

One thing that concerns me about Trump is that he appears just as divisive, if not more so, as Obama.

Your right about Trump being divisive. I think it serves his campaign perfectly as it seems the country is divided to some extent. The previous so called unifier along with the rest of the Govt has succeeded in disenfranchising a portion of the populace which trump is courting. You can say the same thing about Bernie.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

If he wants to talk about the upper hand that one group has, he has to address the lack of contribution another group is making.

Well, his opponent addressed precisely that with the '47% moochers' remark and we know how it all ended.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

Because while we complain about the rich and poor, gov't stands on the sideline and benefits from it.

Well, the government system is pretty much the same as it has been since the country was founded. The argument is then that the people who run it are doing a really bad job. But those are the people the american citizens have chosen and keep choosing in free elections.

Since 2010 a whole bunch of new people under the label 'tea party' were elected with the promise of being different than the 'typical politicians' and fixing things. Neither Rubio nor Cruz who are representative of that movement got the nod. Instead it's Trump and in another direction - his diagnosis of the problem isn't the government but rather the Chinese, the Mexicans, and the Muslims. So far plenty of people agree with him and if he becomes president we'll see the results.