Thread: Apple's stand against the Feds

Originally Posted by Scareface

So, it the taxpayers phone.

That is my understanding,, It was His county issued I-Phone

So yes it is the County Governments property, assuming the news reports were true

Maybe just maybe I could see a court order sticking if the Phone was an Apple Lease and they still "Owned" the phone but I just can't see a private company being legally compelled to do work for the government.. That just doesn't seem "Kosher" to me...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is my understanding,, It was His county issued I-Phone

So yes it is the County Governments property, assuming the news reports were true

That's what has been reported. He and his wife apparently took care to destroy the hard drive of their computer and personal phones. May be they didn't bother with the work phone because it doesn't contain anything worth while, may be they were just sloppy and forgot about it.

I think this should not be a court fight, and instead should be decided properly by the congress. If the government should have the right to bypass any encryption then they need to legislate that and make it illegal to manufacture and distribute in US devices with so strong security. That's their job, but since it's a hard one with significant political costs either way they've been ignoring it very intentionally.

In the meanwhile employers who want to maintain access to the information on the work phones they provide to employees shouldn't be providing phones with such strong security. It's not like nobody knew about this - Apple publicized it quite a bit and now it's a top headline.

Again, place the accountability where it belongs and that's not with Apple, but with congress. Scapegoating Apple is plain wrong.

This makes me pose the question to any who feel that privacy is not to be protected, please send me your financial info so that I may take care of it for you. And if this is something you would not do the you don't think the same as you have stated. Everyone's privacy is sacred.
Again, terrorists should be dealt with all available means that is right. But the cost may be too high. Each day we give up more of our rights eventually we have none. We as citizens who have rights being taken away, but we give due process and rights to these people who are accused terrorists, it's a crazy world we live in, and my government doesn't seem to care about things like privacy, unless it's there privacy, or how this will affect us.

More interesting info has come to light. Seems like they may have had access all along. Why oh why would they now be pursuing the current court request? Hmmmmmm........

Apple implies FBI screwup: iPhone Apple ID password changed in govt possession, backdoor unnecessary | 9to5Mac

Update -

Has anyone else seen the report that the phone was encoded remotely by the County AFTER the shootout ???? and this is why the FBI cannot crack it ???
If that is true it changes the entire perspective..

Originally Posted by gugi

In the meanwhile employers who want to maintain access to the information on the work phones they provide to employees shouldn't be providing phones with such strong security. It's not like nobody knew about this - Apple publicized it quite a bit and now it's a top headline.

Again, place the accountability where it belongs and that's not with Apple, but with congress. Scapegoating Apple is plain wrong.

I agree I still don't see why Apple is involved at all except for being "Asked" for help, I just can't make that logic work in my brain


By the way here is the actual Docket


https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...sst-iPhone.txt

It was not encoded remotely. Somebody at the IT department of the employer requested a reset of the iCloud password (iCloud is an online storage Apple provides for backing data).

If they hadn't done that the feds could've been able to make the phone backup its data online (that was turned off by Farook) and then obtain the data from that backup.

The password reset simply closed a potential path to obtaining the data without breaking the phone encryption.

So was that stupidity or intentional ???

They "requested" it ?? why would they do that ???

From San Bernardino Shooter's iCloud Password Changed While iPhone was in Government Possession - ABC News

The Justice Department acknowledged in its court filing that the password of Syed Farook's iCloud account had been reset. The filing states, "the owner [San Bernardino County Department of Public Health], in an attempt to gain access to some information in the hours after the attack, was able to reset the password remotely, but that had the effect of eliminating the possibility of an auto-backup."

And the county says FBI asked them to do it:


Sounds like somebody didn't quite understand what they're doing - it happens most of the time.

I thought this was a very good article and maybe some would enjoy the read. Don't Crack the iPhone: Apple Is Not the FBI's Tech Support | Max Eddy | PCMag.com

As long as terrorists can walk across the border into this country I say no more talk about what they need to stop terrorism. They are just using that as an excuse to get more toys/power. Use the toys you got and shut up.

It seems law makers are no longer considering the requirement for tech companies to add back doors to their products. This is a wise decision. If not, we might as well go back to dial up and drive thru banking :<0)

Update : Feds get help from a 3rd party! Interesting read. Have heard some rumors of who it may have been but nothing confirmed.

Justice Department cracks iPhone; withdraws legal action