Thread: Apple's stand against the Feds

What do you guys think about Tim Cook's stand on user data privacy against FBI requesting for access? Here's the letter that Tim Cook posted.

Customer Letter - Apple

Like everything else x number of people will have to die and then they will come around.

I don't agree with that. Hundreds, even thousands could have been killed and it still would not be right to create a back door. If they do, it will crush their control over the market because no one wants a device that yields so much personal information that could potentially be readily available to anyone wanting to look. I really like the analogy they use in the article in reference to a "master key". If the fbi can't figure out everything they need to know without that phone, then I think there is a larger problem at hand.

The FBI wants Apple to build a backdoor to all iPhones not just the one in question

Originally Posted by prodigy

I don't agree with that. Hundreds, even thousands could have been killed and it still would not be right to create a back door. If they do, it will crush their control over the market because no one wants a device that yields so much personal information that could potentially be readily available to anyone wanting to look. I really like the analogy they use in the article in reference to a "master key". If the fbi can't figure out everything they need to know without that phone, then I think there is a larger problem at hand.

Really ???

If Tim Cook's family was at threat or one of the dead,, that "back door" would already be sitting on the FBI's front door step. It's all about the money & the market's perceived privacy with that device.

I personally think they need to provide the ability to decrypt. I have been involved in multiple investigations where the information can truly be critical, or provide closure for a family in understanding what happened to their loved one. While I understand that some people have critical work information on there phones (myself included) I just think law enforcement should have a work around. (obviously under current warrant requirements)

You find someone dead in a vehicle on a lonely road and as an investigator you exhaust all your leads and there sits the phone....GPS information on where they have been, who was the last person they talked too, texted, Picture they took, facebook post...and you cannot see it because it is completely inaccessible.

About two years ago I worked a suicide and the suicide note was on the individual's computer. Luckily it was still pulled up and accessible. His final words to his children, family. SO..... I think it is important to be able to get the data.

This isn't something they can just pull out of their *** and say "here you go". It would take a team of engineers months to write the code. Then there is testing and tweaking. How many people that have replied actually read the article?? They would be handing over the holy grail of private information collection capabilities. Oh right, it's for law enforcement and the government, we all know they would never use it inappropriately....

Then once it's out there, you know all the top hackers around the world will work 24/7, 365, until they have it too. Too many people are too willing to give up their privacy and the privacy of others. Bad things happen in the world, they always have and they always will! Futile attempts to limit the harm done by giving up individual freedoms is going to do more harm than good in the long run, even if it has a positive short term outcome.

Originally Posted by prodigy

This isn't something they can just pull out of their *** and say "here you go". It would take a team of engineers months to write the code. Then there is testing and tweaking. How many people that have replied actually read the article?? They would be handing over the holy grail of private information collection capabilities. Oh right, it's for law enforcement and the government, we all know they would never use it inappropriately....

Then once it's out there, you know all the top hackers around the world will work 24/7, 365, until they have it too. Too many people are too willing to give up their privacy and the privacy of others. Bad things happen in the world, they always have and they always will! Futile attempts to limit the harm done by giving up individual freedoms is going to do more harm than good in the long run, even if it has a positive short term outcome.

You bet your butt they already have it!! and yes I read Tim Cook's letter.
He was served with a federal judge's order to produce it, if he "admits" to having it & does not comply with producing it by the required time,,, he get's the Front Door of a federal holding facility until he bails out or the order is over turned.

The person who invented the encryption , can open it any time , anywhere he or she wants.

Originally Posted by prodigy

I don't agree with that. Hundreds, even thousands could have been killed and it still would not be right to create a back door. If they do, it will crush their control over the market because no one wants a device that yields so much personal information that could potentially be readily available to anyone wanting to look. I really like the analogy they use in the article in reference to a "master key". If the fbi can't figure out everything they need to know without that phone, then I think there is a larger problem at hand.

Have you lost family members to terrorist. Would you feel the same way if you did loose a family member. We have hackers out there that get into the personal info of a lot of people. Wouldn't it be in the best interest of humanity to help stop terrorist. Wouldn't that be a feather in Apples hat. I'm all for privacy but if i have info. or can help gather info to help stop even one terrorist attack i would gladly help. Now this is just my opinion each person is entitled to theirs.

Well we can agree to disagree. "The person who invented it" can't just pick a phone and press a button and magically unencrypt it. This would be ridiculous, and negate the point of encryption. If that was the case, they would do it! They (fbi) want the ability to backdoor that one specific iPhone. This would be available for all iphones, not just a specific one. I'm gonna go ahead and step out of this thread now, it should be a very interesting one to follow though.