Thread: Apple's stand against the Feds

What do you guys think about Tim Cook's stand on user data privacy against FBI requesting for access? Here's the letter that Tim Cook posted.

Customer Letter - Apple

Like everything else x number of people will have to die and then they will come around.

I don't agree with that. Hundreds, even thousands could have been killed and it still would not be right to create a back door. If they do, it will crush their control over the market because no one wants a device that yields so much personal information that could potentially be readily available to anyone wanting to look. I really like the analogy they use in the article in reference to a "master key". If the fbi can't figure out everything they need to know without that phone, then I think there is a larger problem at hand.

Originally Posted by prodigy

I don't agree with that. Hundreds, even thousands could have been killed and it still would not be right to create a back door. If they do, it will crush their control over the market because no one wants a device that yields so much personal information that could potentially be readily available to anyone wanting to look. I really like the analogy they use in the article in reference to a "master key". If the fbi can't figure out everything they need to know without that phone, then I think there is a larger problem at hand.

Really ???

If Tim Cook's family was at threat or one of the dead,, that "back door" would already be sitting on the FBI's front door step. It's all about the money & the market's perceived privacy with that device.

Originally Posted by prodigy

I don't agree with that. Hundreds, even thousands could have been killed and it still would not be right to create a back door. If they do, it will crush their control over the market because no one wants a device that yields so much personal information that could potentially be readily available to anyone wanting to look. I really like the analogy they use in the article in reference to a "master key". If the fbi can't figure out everything they need to know without that phone, then I think there is a larger problem at hand.

Have you lost family members to terrorist. Would you feel the same way if you did loose a family member. We have hackers out there that get into the personal info of a lot of people. Wouldn't it be in the best interest of humanity to help stop terrorist. Wouldn't that be a feather in Apples hat. I'm all for privacy but if i have info. or can help gather info to help stop even one terrorist attack i would gladly help. Now this is just my opinion each person is entitled to theirs.

Originally Posted by rhensley

Have you lost family members to terrorist. Would you feel the same way if you did loose a family member. We have hackers out there that get into the personal info of a lot of people. Wouldn't it be in the best interest of humanity to help stop terrorist. Wouldn't that be a feather in Apples hat. I'm all for privacy but if i have info. or can help gather info to help stop even one terrorist attack i would gladly help. Now this is just my opinion each person is entitled to theirs.

People like Tim Cook have no need for feathers in their hats,,, they would rather have a dollar in the wallet.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

People like Tim Cook have no need for feathers in their hats,,, they would rather have a dollar in the wallet.

A what if question. If Mr. Cooks son daughter or grand child was held by kid nappers and the kidnappers lost there apple phone in the process. I wonder how quick Mr. Cook would create a back door. The US is suppose to be a nation of laws. If the police went through the correct process in obtaining the the legal order then Mr. Cook should comply. again just my opinion. When the very rich or political elite thumb there noises at the legal system they should be held accountable. again just my opinion.

Completely ridiculous that anyone in our government can demand a company that is ran by someone other than the government and had nothing to do with the crime to do anything. They simply sold a phone to a cell phone provider, that sold it to a individual. If the FBI can't break into a phone, maybe they should look at hiring some new folks. Slippery slope to say the least. All bad IMO. Even more so if the criminals were alive. They should also work on hiring the right amount of people. They are terribly undermanned and the government doesn't seem to be doing anything about it. They want want want when its convenient but god forbid they do anything in a timely manner that helps the country.

You guys talk about the all mighty dollar... take a look at your government before we talk about others and money.

Originally Posted by rhensley

Have you lost family members to terrorist. Would you feel the same way if you did loose a family member. We have hackers out there that get into the personal info of a lot of people. Wouldn't it be in the best interest of humanity to help stop terrorist. Wouldn't that be a feather in Apples hat. I'm all for privacy but if i have info. or can help gather info to help stop even one terrorist attack i would gladly help. Now this is just my opinion each person is entitled to theirs.

That's the thing, the attack already happened, so they aren't preventing anything. They would be opening up an entirely new platform for terrorism to occur. How would you feel if you stopped one attack, but the means used to do so led to hundreds of more attacks that wouldn't have happened.

I'm a United States Marine, so yes, I've lost family to terrorists. I despise the tactics they use. I wish it was possible to wipe them all out in one go. The problem is that isn't possible. Terrorists are people, with families and friends. For every one you kill, you create a dozen more seeking revenge...

Originally Posted by prodigy

That's the thing, the attack already happened, so they aren't preventing anything. They would be opening up an entirely new platform for terrorism to occur. How would you feel if you stopped one attack, but the means used to do so led to hundreds of more attacks that wouldn't have happened.

I'm a United States Marine, so yes, I've lost family to terrorists. I despise the tactics they use. I wish it was possible to wipe them all out in one go. The problem is that isn't possible. Terrorists are people, with families and friends. For every one you kill, you create a dozen more seeking revenge...

There have been wars there is a war now and there will be wars in the future. History has proved that. I wish it weren't so. Your a US Marine. God bless you and all service men and women. Be ever watchful .