Thread: Apple's stand against the Feds

As I read through the post by Tim Cook, part of the rational used is that by creating a solid back door it leaves a point for hacking as well. It is not as simple as to just them having access. I would think that it will take more consideration than just about the FBI having access. If it was simply the FBI and there was some guarantee that it would be absolutely only the law authorities in our country that could exercise this access, they can have it. As for it being a security risk, that is where I get a little apprehensive.

Originally Posted by prodigy

That's the thing, the attack already happened, so they aren't preventing anything. They would be opening up an entirely new platform for terrorism to occur. How would you feel if you stopped one attack, but the means used to do so led to hundreds of more attacks that wouldn't have happened.

I'm a United States Marine, so yes, I've lost family to terrorists. I despise the tactics they use. I wish it was possible to wipe them all out in one go. The problem is that isn't possible. Terrorists are people, with families and friends. For every one you kill, you create a dozen more seeking revenge...

I'm a Marine too,,, but we are sliding off topic just a little.

Originally Posted by prodigy

That's the thing, the attack already happened, so they aren't preventing anything. They would be opening up an entirely new platform for terrorism to occur. How would you feel if you stopped one attack, but the means used to do so led to hundreds of more attacks that wouldn't have happened.

I'm a United States Marine, so yes, I've lost family to terrorists. I despise the tactics they use. I wish it was possible to wipe them all out in one go. The problem is that isn't possible. Terrorists are people, with families and friends. For every one you kill, you create a dozen more seeking revenge...

Nailed it.

The FBI wants Apple to build a backdoor to all iPhones not just the one in question

I personally think they need to provide the ability to decrypt. I have been involved in multiple investigations where the information can truly be critical, or provide closure for a family in understanding what happened to their loved one. While I understand that some people have critical work information on there phones (myself included) I just think law enforcement should have a work around. (obviously under current warrant requirements)

You find someone dead in a vehicle on a lonely road and as an investigator you exhaust all your leads and there sits the phone....GPS information on where they have been, who was the last person they talked too, texted, Picture they took, facebook post...and you cannot see it because it is completely inaccessible.

About two years ago I worked a suicide and the suicide note was on the individual's computer. Luckily it was still pulled up and accessible. His final words to his children, family. SO..... I think it is important to be able to get the data.

This isn't something they can just pull out of their *** and say "here you go". It would take a team of engineers months to write the code. Then there is testing and tweaking. How many people that have replied actually read the article?? They would be handing over the holy grail of private information collection capabilities. Oh right, it's for law enforcement and the government, we all know they would never use it inappropriately....

Then once it's out there, you know all the top hackers around the world will work 24/7, 365, until they have it too. Too many people are too willing to give up their privacy and the privacy of others. Bad things happen in the world, they always have and they always will! Futile attempts to limit the harm done by giving up individual freedoms is going to do more harm than good in the long run, even if it has a positive short term outcome.

Originally Posted by prodigy

This isn't something they can just pull out of their *** and say "here you go". It would take a team of engineers months to write the code. Then there is testing and tweaking. How many people that have replied actually read the article?? They would be handing over the holy grail of private information collection capabilities. Oh right, it's for law enforcement and the government, we all know they would never use it inappropriately....

Then once it's out there, you know all the top hackers around the world will work 24/7, 365, until they have it too. Too many people are too willing to give up their privacy and the privacy of others. Bad things happen in the world, they always have and they always will! Futile attempts to limit the harm done by giving up individual freedoms is going to do more harm than good in the long run, even if it has a positive short term outcome.

You bet your butt they already have it!! and yes I read Tim Cook's letter.
He was served with a federal judge's order to produce it, if he "admits" to having it & does not comply with producing it by the required time,,, he get's the Front Door of a federal holding facility until he bails out or the order is over turned.

The person who invented the encryption , can open it any time , anywhere he or she wants.

Well we can agree to disagree. "The person who invented it" can't just pick a phone and press a button and magically unencrypt it. This would be ridiculous, and negate the point of encryption. If that was the case, they would do it! They (fbi) want the ability to backdoor that one specific iPhone. This would be available for all iphones, not just a specific one. I'm gonna go ahead and step out of this thread now, it should be a very interesting one to follow though.

Originally Posted by prodigy

This isn't something they can just pull out of their *** and say "here you go". It would take a team of engineers months to write the code. Then there is testing and tweaking. How many people that have replied actually read the article?? They would be handing over the holy grail of private information collection capabilities. Oh right, it's for law enforcement and the government, we all know they would never use it inappropriately....

Then once it's out there, you know all the top hackers around the world will work 24/7, 365, until they have it too. Too many people are too willing to give up their privacy and the privacy of others. Bad things happen in the world, they always have and they always will! Futile attempts to limit the harm done by giving up individual freedoms is going to do more harm than good in the long run, even if it has a positive short term outcome.

This morning on the CBS news, they had a security expert who said that the FBI asked for that one phone to be decrypted, and the information provided to them, then Apple can do whatever it wants with the decryption software. The government did not ask Apple to provide decryption software to be used whenever on any Apple phone. The expert basically said that Tim Cook might not trust his own people.

Originally Posted by mainaman

The expert basically said that Tim Cook might not trust his own people.

After going through the interview/application process of many major corporations, this is the distinct feeling you get throughout the process at almost all of them.