Thread: Apple's stand against the Feds

A lot of what ifs there.

Terrorists don't have to go at these lengths to accomplish their aims. Right now they can hack into your car and send it into a wall while you're on the freeway. A terrorist can enter the U.S with a french passport and travel to a gunshow and buy an arsenal and mow down folks by the hundreds in a mall on a Sunday. It's probably easier to make a dirty bomb and detonate it in some European capital.

It's all about low tech and using what works and is easy.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

A lot of what ifs there.

Terrorists don't have to go at these lengths to accomplish their aims. Right now they can hack into your car and send it into a wall while you're on the freeway. A terrorist can enter the U.S with a french passport and travel to a gunshow and buy an arsenal and mow down folks by the hundreds in a mall on a Sunday. It's probably easier to make a dirty bomb and detonate it in some European capital.

It's all about low tech and using what works and is easy.

A lot of that is true, but if you think your car can be hacked and turned into a wall while driving down the freeway, you are sadly mistaken.

EDIT: OK, they cant hack my car, but any new car could be hacked i suppose...

This is simply the first article that I was able to remember, I'm pretty sure there are more if I spent the time to search for it.

Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway—With Me in It | WIRED

That is not true. Sending you into a wall was a distinct possibility. Jeep fixed this issue, but if it happened once, it can easily happen again. Car manufacturers have been adding technology and not taking necessary precautions for awhile now. They will continue to add more technology to vehicles to garner sales, each new widget is a new possible security risk. There's news of a new hack on various pieces of technology.

On topic, I think it is quite difficult for any of us to have a good solid opinion on this situation. For the simple reason we do not know what the technical capabilities are of our government. Should we know? Then everyone would know and skirt around their technology. Kind of a chicken and the egg, but politics of technology...

Is this the tape or no tape thread?

Apple has hacked into phones for the Feds before!

It seems it's okay for them to do it when it fits their agenda...money wise and politically!

This time it's political........don't offend The "O's" chosen people!


Just throwing in a loop for topics sake.

I don't want the Feds to be able to have access to anything!
they have enough info retrieving junk to get all they want!
Fakebook, Google etc.... help them far to much as it is.

All this sounds vaguely familiar. Going back to 2010 BlackBerry encryption 'too secure': National security vs. consumer privacy | ZDNet .

Bob

Kind of a weird situation

It is a County owned phone
There is a Court order to open it so there is nothing stopping the FBI from opening it

Now just because they can't manage that using their own initiative and abilities or perhaps refuse to even try ??? How does that become Apple's (or anyone else) legal responsibility to do so...

The Government can ask, (and have in the past) but I don't see the leap to be able to legally compel a private company to provide it's expertise..

Perhaps the County should have had a "Master Key " for their phones


Guess this one will work it's way through court

Originally Posted by prodigy

This isn't something they can just pull out of their *** and say "here you go". It would take a team of engineers months to write the code. Then there is testing and tweaking. How many people that have replied actually read the article?? They would be handing over the holy grail of private information collection capabilities. Oh right, it's for law enforcement and the government, we all know they would never use it inappropriately....

Then once it's out there, you know all the top hackers around the world will work 24/7, 365, until they have it too. Too many people are too willing to give up their privacy and the privacy of others. Bad things happen in the world, they always have and they always will! Futile attempts to limit the harm done by giving up individual freedoms is going to do more harm than good in the long run, even if it has a positive short term outcome.

This morning on the CBS news, they had a security expert who said that the FBI asked for that one phone to be decrypted, and the information provided to them, then Apple can do whatever it wants with the decryption software. The government did not ask Apple to provide decryption software to be used whenever on any Apple phone. The expert basically said that Tim Cook might not trust his own people.

Originally Posted by mainaman

The expert basically said that Tim Cook might not trust his own people.

After going through the interview/application process of many major corporations, this is the distinct feeling you get throughout the process at almost all of them.