Thread: UK out of EU

Originally Posted by UKRob

I'm getting tired of contributors who see no other option than economic ruin -

Yes, these people can be incredibly boring, indeed. However, those who analyse, assess, and then comment on the potentially ruinous, but certainly detrimental, after effects are a different story entirely. Slandered as experts by right wing politicians cashing in (both figuratively, and literally) on a disenfranchised elecorate's inadequate level of informedness, the have been right, and will be right, as you already have begun to see in the last few days.

Originally Posted by UKRob

the UK has the world's fifth largest economy and will be able to leverage that when it comes to negotiating future trade deals. I don't know how that will pan out - and neither does anyone else.

The UK was the world's fifth largest economy until Brexit: France overtakes Britain as world’s fifth largest economy as Brexit fears hit markets | Home News | News | The Independent

Once you guys have deported, or scared away, a few million immigrants (as promised by leading Tories and UKIP alike), we shall see what remains of that economy. Especially once the MFI sector has been fully hit.

Originally Posted by UKRob

But let us please stop the mis-information about 'no leader to step forward' - the Conservative party are in Government - they have a leader who has tendered his resignation and an election is under way. Nothing in the daily life of parliament is affected and the country has not come to a standstill.

You may find a leader to step forward. Unfortunately, she will still have no plan how to manage the UK's exit from the EU. Which, if I may be so blunt, is the result of one of the most reckless, short-sighted, and deceitful political campaigns in Europe after 1945.

Robin, I really don't know how to respond to your posts anymore - other than to say that the UK economy is in far better shape than the French - it has created more jobs in the last few years than the rest of the EU put together, the run on the stock market lasted two days and then went back to normal, the devaluation of Sterling is not a wholly bad thing - ask Greece and Spain if they would like a currency devaluation - and all of this is off the top of my head without having to resort to cherry picking articles off the internet.

I will ask you one question - if the members of the EU right now were to be asked whether they would join the organisation in its current form if it did not exist - what would the answer be?

The French have a saying - Il y en a toujours l'un qui baise, et l'un qui tourne la joue" - there is always someone who kisses and one who turns the cheek - well this time it's the UK who has turned the cheek and, in effect said you can kiss my a$$.

UKRob, careful with the use of the word "baiser". Colloquially, it means "to screw". Still a very "fitting" proverb.

Originally Posted by UKRob

Robin, I really don't know how to respond to your posts anymore

But Rob, that's a really simple one:

Seriously though, I think there is very little, if anything, to add to this thread at this point in time. We will all have to wait until the next Prime Minister has been nominated. I do not think anything substantial will happen until then, not now that the EU has declared its unwillingness to negotiate with the UK before the UK has invoked Article 50. And that may take a long time for all we know.

I just thought this was an interesting little tidbit.
Theresa May suggests Brexit delay as she says no Article 50 until Scotland gives go-ahead *
The scots have made it abundantly clear that they will leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU so I doubt she'll have an agreement anytime soon, which I think is exactly why she has said she won't do anything without the consent of the devolved states.

A UK friend of mine told me yesterday that the bookmakers are actually betting against article 50 being invoked.
And if I were a betting man, I think that if the politicians see a way of avoiding it in a face saving manner, they will take it.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I just thought this was an interesting little tidbit.
Theresa May suggests Brexit delay as she says no Article 50 until Scotland gives go-ahead *
The scots have made it abundantly clear that they will leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU so I doubt she'll have an agreement anytime soon, which I think is exactly why she has said she won't do anything without the consent of the devolved states.

A UK friend of mine told me yesterday that the bookmakers are actually betting against article 50 being invoked.
And if I were a betting man, I think that if the politicians see a way of avoiding it in a face saving manner, they will take it.

In my opinion Scotland has said no such thing. What Nicola Sturgeon has said is that Scotland must have a say in any deal struck and that Scotlands ties to Europe should be preserved. Independence is only one way of doing so.

Also what has to be remembered is scotland from a percentage perspective voted to stay in, and whilst percentage wise it looked decisive there really were only around 600000 votes in it.

1661298 to 1018214 to remain. Numerically. Also added to that almost a million voters who voted in the independence referendum never voted (some of which was down to age rules admittedly), it would be wrong for her to state that scotland called for another independence referendum. In reality she may want one. The two are different things entirely.

However if she calls one and is allowed to carry it out. Then in the end it will be the people of scotland who decide if indy is for us.

I also think it would be a dangerous move politically to play with the will of the people in such a way. The conservatives may survive being the party to oversee a UK exit. I think its less likely they would survive being the party to overrule the will of the people.

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