Thread: UK out of EU

Apparently the vote was to get out.
Now comes the harder part of actually doing it.

On the up side, Scotland will join the EU this afternoon, or shortly afterwards. Welcome!

What is extremely surprising, is that the majority of those that voted "out" are people over the age of 50.

Guess whose retirements savings have been hard hit by the "out" vote? Yes, those same over 50's!!

Next I foresee both Scotland and Ireland having referendums for independence and then voting to be part of the EU!

I don't think it's that easy for Scotland and NI. They have no central banks and use Westminster for a lot of the trade they do. The EU may well want them to operate independently and meet certain criteria before they get accepted. Also any independence would be lost. As they would have to join on new members terms. So no nice bonuses like the UK got, Enforced Euro currency, And whatever border controls the UK requires. Also no NHS.

Then comes the really odd part. Scotland has based it's independence on oil. The oil however is mostly in the north sea in Shetland waters. And Shetland may well not want to be part of Scotland. This island will need it's own independence vote, and may well elect to become part of England, Norway or Denmark. Denmark have a very good track record with the Faroe islands, and Norway already has a thriving oil business.

It's like someone kicked a wasp nest over here atm on social media!

A great day for the UK one where we took back our country I'm overjoyed.

This pretty much sums up how I feel

The people have spoken. Now it up to the government to make it happen. Governments don't always do what we want them too.
We had something similar happen here when Quebec wanted to leave the rest of Canada back in the 90s, but then vote went the other way by the slimmest of margins.

This should be an interesting to see how this can of worms that has been opened finally turns out. What I could not get over was the surprise by the stay side at the final result. They must have been very far out of touch with the feelings of a large group of citizens.

As far a Scotland joining Denmark this afternoon goes, good luck with that one. I believe it will take another referendum and other steps to accomplish that.

Good luck to all involved.

Bob

On his recent visit President Obama urged people in the UK to vote remain and some campaigners took this as an opportunity to compare the EU with the USA - claiming they were similar. Whilst there may be some similarities - and gripes about big government etc., what tended to be disregarded is the fact that the USA has a common history, mainly common language and culture etc.

The EU comprises 28 different countries with hugely varying economies, historical ties, languages, culture and aspirations. A closer analogy with the USA would be for it to be part of a pan-American Union that allowed free access and welfare rights for the citizens of every country belonging to the union. This is what it is actually like in the EU - low price eastern European workers can flock to the wealthier countries claim welfare including for children still living in their home country. In the UK this has put huge pressure on housing and medical care that is not sustainable - and it's one of the main reasons for the out vote.

I doubt very much that President Obama would try and sell a similar arrangement to the US electorate.

Well, the Leave posse had one distinct advantage. They were able to appeal to both liberal minded people (through Boris Johnson for example), as well as fascist leaning proles (Nigel Farage and his band of xenophobic clowns).

This bodes ill for several other countries, such as France, the Netherlands, or the US, each of which is struggling with the rise of right wing radical parties.

Maybe more people should have read Lord of the Flies. One can learn a lot from this book, especially what happens if you are stuck on an island with a group of pig fixated public school boys.

Extremely telling: UK voters don’t understand Brexit, Google searches suggest | Ars Technica UK - that is what you get when you let ordinary people decide about highly complex problems. Hey, they might even be building a wall next, to keep Scottish rapists and criminals out...