Thread: UK out of EU

A great day for the UK one where we took back our country I'm overjoyed.

This pretty much sums up how I feel

The people have spoken. Now it up to the government to make it happen. Governments don't always do what we want them too.
We had something similar happen here when Quebec wanted to leave the rest of Canada back in the 90s, but then vote went the other way by the slimmest of margins.

Originally Posted by celticcrusader

A great day for the UK one where we took back our country I'm overjoyed.

At least you didn't have to fight a revolution to gain freedom.

Originally Posted by Iceni

I don't think it's that easy for Scotland and NI. They have no central banks and use Westminster for a lot of the trade they do. The EU may well want them to operate independently and meet certain criteria before they get accepted. Also any independence would be lost. As they would have to join on new members terms. So no nice bonuses like the UK got, Enforced Euro currency, And whatever border controls the UK requires. Also no NHS.

Then comes the really odd part. Scotland has based it's independence on oil. The oil however is mostly in the north sea in Shetland waters. And Shetland may well not want to be part of Scotland. This island will need it's own independence vote, and may well elect to become part of England, Norway or Denmark. Denmark have a very good track record with the Faroe islands, and Norway already has a thriving oil business.

It's like someone kicked a wasp nest over here atm on social media!

Whilst I agree with most of what you say in terms of it not being a straight into Europe, it is worth pointing out that Scotland's NHS is currently devolved, and in somewhat better nick when compared with the rest of the UK.

The point on oil however is well taken but more to the point the value of that oil dropped significantly.

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Well, the Leave posse had one distinct advantage. They were able to appeal to both liberal minded people (through Boris Johnson for example), as well as fascist leaning proles (Nigel Farage and his band of xenophobic clowns).

This bodes ill for several other countries, such as France, the Netherlands, or the US, each of which is struggling with the rise of right wing radical parties.

Maybe more people should have read Lord of the Flies. One can learn a lot from this book, especially what happens if you are stuck on an island with a group of pig fixated public school boys.

Extremely telling: UK voters don’t understand Brexit, Google searches suggest | Ars Technica UK - that is what you get when you let ordinary people decide about highly complex problems. Hey, they might even be building a wall next, to keep Scottish rapists and criminals out...

Personally I would NOT like to see a Pan-American union for similar reasons as UKRob has said about the EU. Free Trade/NAFTA has been bad enough from where I sit never mind the global economy.

It is not surprising that after the vote people wonder what is next. You are in uncharted territory as this has never been done before. This will set a precedence for the future so what the final up shot is will be a coin toss. Fasten your seat belt, the roller coaster ride has just started.

Bob

Originally Posted by RobinK

Well, the Leave posse had one distinct advantage. They were able to appeal to both liberal minded people (through Boris Johnson for example), as well as fascist leaning proles (Nigel Farage and his band of xenophobic clowns).

This bodes ill for several other countries, such as France, the Netherlands, or the US, each of which is struggling with the rise of right wing radical parties.

Maybe more people should have read Lord of the Flies. One can learn a lot from this book, especially what happens if you are stuck on an island with a group of pig fixated public school boys.

Extremely telling: UK voters don’t understand Brexit, Google searches suggest | Ars Technica UK - that is what you get when you let ordinary people decide about highly complex problems. Hey, they might even be building a wall next, to keep Scottish rapists and criminals out...

Yea, letting ordinary people govern themselves is very risky. Better to let smart people dictate how things should be done, worked so well in the USSR

Originally Posted by miller1952

Yea, letting ordinary people govern themselves is very risky. Better to let smart people dictate how things should be done, worked so well in the USSR

An interesting reply. Two questions:

1. Can you explain, in legal terms, how the British "people" can reconcile the Leave.EU campaign's main goals (stop immigration, and maintain access to the single EU market), please?

2. Imagine you are Castle Forbes. Can you name all relevant rules and regulations required to be able to sell your products in each EU country after a successful Brexit?

Bonus question: Can you also explain how the USSR was a democracy?

Thank you.

[Edit] To elaborate on the above questions: The British referendum offered only "yes" and "no" as possible answers to an extremely complex question. Since Switzerland is often cited as a role model for semi-direct democratic decisions, it should be noted that the British referendum would not have been possible under Swiss law.

Most notably, the Leave.EU campaign failed to provide detail about the exact way of leaving the EU while fulfilling its promises, as well as the cost involved. In Switzerland, that would have been mandatory. One salient example is "getting your products into the common market". Ask any non-EU "artisan" soap"maker", and you will quickly realise why these products do not exist in the EU.

I don't think I intimated the the USSR was a democracy, rather than it was an example of "experts" dictating policy. The fact that they could not grow enough food to feed themselves would, I should have thought, made my point. The fact that the British people voted to exit the EU is likely related to their desire for self-determination, rather than being dictated to by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Britain has, in somewhat recent history been subjected to less than cordial treatment certain European powers, the summer of 1940 comes to mind. It is therefore understandable that some British people might desire a level of autonomy not tolerated by the EU. Certainly the ability to control one's borders is a prima facia right of any nation. The whole of Europe will be dealing with the consequences of their open border policies for the remainder of this century. If you doubt that, just wait and see. If that situation does not lead to significant civil unrest and violence, they may count themselves lucky indeed.