Thread: UK out of EU

Originally Posted by RobinK

On the up side, Scotland will join the EU this afternoon, or shortly afterwards. Welcome!

They might do it via Scandinavia as well

Well alea iacta est and everyone should respect the results because Britons have to live with everything there is to come for decades to come. Both good and bad.
It was most interesting to read the British media before the elections. I was sorry to see that specially those for exit used sometimes arguments that were not so true as they should. Now it seems that some people based their votes on feelings and prejudices, not facts.

58/42 is an interesting result. Had it been the either way, now it leaves a lot of people dissapointed. The nation is polarized and divided in two.

Originally Posted by Sailor

The nation is polarized and divided in two.

This seems quite common these days!

Originally Posted by celticcrusader

A great day for the UK one where we took back our country I'm overjoyed.

At least you didn't have to fight a revolution to gain freedom.

Originally Posted by RobinK

That is an excellent point. Spain should deport the roughly 400,000 Britons living in Spain full time, exploiting Spain's health service. Make Costa del Sol liveable again!

Not quite accurate Robin - there are reciprocal arrangements regarding the costs of health care. In fact those Britons living in Spain contribute to Spain's economy - they spend their money there and are not reliant on state welfare.

What I don't quite understand is your attitude to a decision that was taken by a majority of the British people for a future of self determination. My point about economic immigrants is just one of the issues but certainly not the only or most important one. I used it originally to point out the comparison to say, Mexicans, have an automatic right to live in the USA if a pan-American union existed.

Originally Posted by UKRob

What I don't quite understand is your attitude to a decision that was taken by a majority of the British people for a future of self determination.

First, it was a majority of voters, not the people. Second, it was England and Wales, not the UK.

Coming from a country that helped plunge Europe into world wars twice, I take a keen interest in retaining the institution that has been ensuring peace in Europe since 1945. A Tory government has damaged that institution for no reason but to try and solve a local problem with a bunch of racists even more right wing and delusional than they. Add to that Corbyn's failure to turn out the vote in Labour regions, and of course that spineless clown Johnson, and you have three toffs playing destiny with Europe in times of an acute crisis.

Last, and as stated previously, you cannot have a referendum over something as complex as the EU. The proverbial man on the Clapham bus simply does not understand how it works. Which leaves him approachable by racists, xenophobes, and fascists.

So, I hope that explains my attitude. I am appalled by the decision, but not surprised. It fits into a trend towards isolationism, and reactionary longing for a world that never really existed. This is 2016, and neither will make Mr Farage the UK white again, nor Me Trump the US. What they will do, as witnessed by the rise of UKIP, the Front National, and the love child of a Scottish woman and an orange haired orangutan, is make the world a more hostile, narrowminded, and dangerous place. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Sailor

The nation is polarized and divided in two.

I find it interesting that the U.S. is polarized, split essentially in half politically as well. I don't think it's a coincidence. Very interesting indeed.

I wish Great Britain all the best and my sincere hope is that GB can and will thrive on its own. It certainly is an upset for global governance.

It seems there are two possible outcomes with forming such unions: 1) Economically "stronger" countries stimulate and motivate economically "weaker" countries to become stronger economically. 2) Economically "weaker" countries erode economically "stronger" countries' progress and slow overall economic growth. It seems to me the EU in general has been exhibiting outcome 2?

ChrisL

Originally Posted by Phrank

Yes, Merkel managed to destroy Europe without firing a shot - 3 times in one century for Germany....sheesh.

Bob

Originally Posted by RobinK

Last, and as stated previously, you cannot have a referendum over something as complex as the EU. The proverbial man on the Clapham bus simply does not understand how it works. Which leaves him approachable by racists, xenophobes, and fascists.

I'm surprised that the average citizen is held in such low esteem. Also a bit insulting, as I am just an average citizen myself!
In my opinion, today's average citizen is far more informed as far as what is good for himself and his family, than some elected official! It's high time for the majority to be heard and have their desires known and carried out than to be continually led like lambs to the slaughter. The rank and file is tired, and rightfully so, of their politicians, who are supposed to be in office to project the will of their constituents, making backroom deals and doing exactly as they please!

I'm happy seeing the "man on the Clapham bus" standing up and being heard in such a loud voice!

BRAVO

Originally Posted by Druid

I'm happy seeing the "man on the Clapham bus" standing up and being heard in such a loud voice!

No personal offence meant, but the last time average people were given a loud voice was shortly before the second world war broke out.

Also, the average man will be hit hardest by the EU's response to the referendum. A touch of the short sharp shock, just wait and see.

This from a political scientists specialising in political extremism married to a lawyer with a PhD in European law.

Thank goodness. Another step back for the flawed notions of One Government and Socialism. Producers are tired of dragging non-producers along. Changes, they are a coming!