Thread: The wanna bes

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but I don't know if I am flattered about the whole thing.

Canada’s two tiny Trumps to call our own - Macleans.ca

Bob VD and Scar BFD

I find it rich when people in places that are countries of immigrants start spouting off about immigrants. When I heard people from England going off about immigrants, it made me think, well you guys colonized 1/3 of the world and now we are coming full circle. First second and third generation Canadians don't want any immigrants coming here. Post WW refugees came here by the ship load. Oh and don't try playing the Muslim card with me either. Have you seen the history of Christian religions? Very few of them don't have blood on their hands. Don't get me started on trade either. If you want to quit feeding IIS or ISL or whatever fundamentalist terrorist group how about quit buying OPEC oil, because that is where the fundamentalists get their money from. As for the refugees coming here we have a choice, extend a hand and try to save them from the madmen trying to either wipe them out, or convert them to their extremist thoughts, or leave to to either die or become the force that you fear in the first place.
Now, party politics.
Party politics have become like the Gangs of New York movie. This is not democracy. It is divisive politics. Divide and conquer and build your little empires and line your pockets with all the side deals you set up while in a position of authority. I say axe the parties. Two places on the ballets. One spot for the figure head of the country, the other for the district leader. Now cooperatively run the country and respresent the people who elected you, NOT YOUR PARTY. That would be real democracy!
Ok. My mini rant is over. Just my thoughts. I hope everyone has a lovely weekend.
If any feelings were hurt in the making of this post, I do apologize, I was just trying to vent off some alternate views on Canadian politics.

Originally Posted by RezDog

I find it rich when people in places that are countries of immigrants start spouting off about immigrants. When I heard people from England going off about immigrants, it made me think, well you guys colonized 1/3 of the world and now we are coming full circle. First second and third generation Canadians don't want any immigrants coming here. Post WW refugees came here by the ship load. Oh and don't try playing the Muslim card with me either. Have you seen the history of Christian religions? Very few of them don't have blood on their hands. Don't get me started on trade either. If you want to quit feeding IIS or ISL or whatever fundamentalist terrorist group how about quit buying OPEC oil, because that is where the fundamentalists get their money from. As for the refugees coming here we have a choice, extend a hand and try to save them from the madmen trying to either wipe them out, or convert them to their extremist thoughts, or leave to to either die or become the force that you fear in the first place.
Now, party politics.
Party politics have become like the Gangs of New York movie. This is not democracy. It is divisive politics. Divide and conquer and build your little empires and line your pockets with all the side deals you set up while in a position of authority. I say axe the parties. Two places on the ballets. One spot for the figure head of the country, the other for the district leader. Now cooperatively run the country and respresent the people who elected you, NOT YOUR PARTY. That would be real democracy!
Ok. My mini rant is over. Just my thoughts. I hope everyone has a lovely weekend.
If any feelings were hurt in the making of this post, I do apologize, I was just trying to vent off some alternate views on Canadian politics.

Being first generation Canadian I am really offended, as you are, by what is happening today in politics, both here and elsewhere. It would be funny if it wasn't so scary.

Bob

I am not a history nut but from what I see today is not a whole lot of different than the attitudes of 50, 100, or 200 years ago.

Originally Posted by 32t

I am not a history nut but from what I see today is not a whole lot of different than the attitudes of 50, 100, or 200 years ago.

Could easily be. There is always an undercurrent of hatred and bigotry in any country. It is when that gets used politically, making it somehow acceptable, to stir up fear then trouble usually follows. It should never be acceptable.

Bob

I am not trying to justify it but things have not changed, and I am sorry to say they probably will not.

Originally Posted by RezDog

I find it rich when people in places that are countries of immigrants start spouting off about immigrants. When I heard people from England going off about immigrants, it made me think, well you guys colonized 1/3 of the world and now we are coming full circle. First second and third generation Canadians don't want any immigrants coming here. Post WW refugees came here by the ship load. Oh and don't try playing the Muslim card with me either. Have you seen the history of Christian religions? Very few of them don't have blood on their hands. Don't get me started on trade either. If you want to quit feeding IIS or ISL or whatever fundamentalist terrorist group how about quit buying OPEC oil, because that is where the fundamentalists get their money from. As for the refugees coming here we have a choice, extend a hand and try to save them from the madmen trying to either wipe them out, or convert them to their extremist thoughts, or leave to to either die or become the force that you fear in the first place.
Now, party politics.
Party politics have become like the Gangs of New York movie. This is not democracy. It is divisive politics. Divide and conquer and build your little empires and line your pockets with all the side deals you set up while in a position of authority. I say axe the parties. Two places on the ballets. One spot for the figure head of the country, the other for the district leader. Now cooperatively run the country and respresent the people who elected you, NOT YOUR PARTY. That would be real democracy!
Ok. My mini rant is over. Just my thoughts. I hope everyone has a lovely weekend.
If any feelings were hurt in the making of this post, I do apologize, I was just trying to vent off some alternate views on Canadian politics.

Holy cow Rez Dog! I love this. Can I copy and paste this to my Facebook? Well said. Good rant, if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Steel

Holy cow Rez Dog! I love this. Can I copy and paste this to my Facebook? Well said. Good rant, if you ask me.

My friend you can use those words all you want. They are simply my perspective on politics. If you share the same view then by all means use the words.

I think you make some good points. It can't be denied that the U.S. for example was formed over time largely from its rich history of immigration. It was, after all, the "Melting Pot". It would be unfortunate if the U.S. (or Canada) shut its borders and allowed no one else in. I don't think many are advocating for that though. I know I'm not. I'm also not advocating for open borders with no vetting.

The current immigration issues we have in the western world are different than in years past for a few reasons that aren't getting talked about either on purpose or out of ignorance or denial:

Past immigrants from many many different countries certainly had their own ideologies, and religious beliefs. However, they did not have an entirely separate system of laws that they adhered to after emigrating here. Irish Catholics didn't refuse to accept the rule of law in the U.S. after fleeing the potato famine and instead set up their own tribunals dictated by laws created by the Vatican. No such thing.

Sharia law is not compatible with constitutional law. It's not a "coexist" thing.

I absolutely believe that the large majority of the Muslim population are peace loving. We have been told that over and over after Islamic terror events that the Islamic terrorists are not representative of the majority of Muslims. I believe that. A bit odd and disheartening that there isn't more condemnation heard from the peaceful Muslim populations denouncing the behavior of the extremists in their religion, but that's perhaps another topic.

Peaceful majority or not, the clip below that I saw recently absolutely, positively knocks it out of the park in regard to the threat the western world is facing. I just don't think it can be denied.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I think you make some good points. It can't be denied that the U.S. for example was formed over time largely from its rich history of immigration. It was, after all, the "Melting Pot". It would be unfortunate if the U.S. (or Canada) shut its borders and allowed no one else in. I don't think many are advocating for that though. I know I'm not. I'm also not advocating for open borders with no vetting.

The current immigration issues we have in the western world are different than in years past for a few reasons that aren't getting talked about either on purpose or out of ignorance or denial:

Past immigrants from many many different countries certainly had their own ideologies, and religious beliefs. However, they did not have an entirely separate system of laws that they adhered to after emigrating here. Irish Catholics didn't refuse to accept the rule of law in the U.S. after fleeing the potato famine and instead set up their own tribunals dictated by laws created by the Vatican. No such thing.

Sharia law is not compatible with constitutional law. It's not a "coexist" thing.

I absolutely believe that the large majority of the Muslim population are peace loving. We have been told that over and over after Islamic terror events that the Islamic terrorists are not representative of the majority of Muslims. I believe that. A bit odd and disheartening that there isn't more condemnation heard from the peaceful Muslim populations denouncing the behavior of the extremists in their religion, but that's perhaps another topic.

Peaceful majority or not, the clip below that I saw recently absolutely, positively knocks it out of the park in regard to the threat the western world is facing. I just don't think it can be denied.

To begin with I am concerned about what is happening in Canada and not in the USA unless it effects/influences things up here. The USA is a different country from Canada. I just don't want to see what is happening in the USA take hold up here.

I like my country, for the most part, but would never have the unmitigated gall to tell anyone it is "the best" country in the world and all others should be like Canada. I'd just as soon keep what makes us different not better than anyone else. Yes, I'd like to see changes made but not necessarily in lock step with what is happening now in the USA.

Regarding the vetting of refugees we have taken in from the Mid East.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...screening.html

Nobody here in Canada is advocating not vetting refugees. It is for the most part a long drawn-out affair with many checks and balances as is sanely possible. No, we don't have an open boarder policy. We take carefully vetted refugees of our choice in numbers that we think we can handle logistically.

Criminal law and Civil Law is based on English Common Law in Canada with the exception of the Province of Quebec where the Civil Law is based on the French Common Law. I doubt that will change and any moves to change it would not be very welcome.

Yes, the silent majority, be they Christian or Islamic, is what allows bad things to happen.

For sure the western world is under terrorist threat but lets not get hysterical about the threat and become irrationally fearful of it that we do useless counter productive things because of it.

Bob