Why does it seem like everyone is trashing Rachel Dolezal??

[ChrisL]

For those who don't know and/or for our international bretheren, Rachel Dolezal was the head of a National Association for the Advancement of Colored People NAACP Chapter on the east cost of the U.S. She became nationally recognized because she was a caucasian woman who most would say deceived people by posing as an African American woman. She was fired from her job and apparently can't get a job anywhere else, has had to collect food stamps, etc. The only work she's been offered is porn or reality TV both offers of which she's rejected. She maintains that she is "trans-racial". She's biologically a caucasian woman but identifies as a black woman. I think it's fair to say that her name is mud in the U.S. most likely due her deceptive actions in relation to her employment. However, aside from that, it appears that her subjective view of being trans-racial has also been seemingly rejected en masse even among "progressives" and "liberals".

I'm very confused by this. Honestly I am.

We now live in a society in the U.S. where trans-gender is largely accepted and upheld. A human biologically of one sex subjectively identifying as another sex with society as a whole recognizing that person's gender identity as they see it rather than biological identity.

Why then is it unacceptable for a person to identify with and be acknowledged as a different race?

I don't get it.

Can someone play the devil's advocate here and tell me who the two scenarios above differ?

Biological male athletes identifying as transgender females are benefitting identifying as and competing against biologically female athletes.

What would the reason be for disallowing a caucasian who identifies as black from applying for minority scholarships or benefit from affirmative action in the workplace?

My thought is: within the construct of society's current acceptance of transgenger (merely thinking you're a sex opposite your biological sex) up to and including having rights that may be given to the sex the transgender person identifies with, I would support the idea of a person biologically of one race identifying with/thinking they are another race up to and including having rights and benefits that may be given to the race the person identifies with. What's good for the goose has got to be good for the gander.

Thoughts?

[Johntoad57]

Chris - I'll give it a shot and venture to say it is associated with these things. They're called prejudice, greed, and jealousy. It's unfortunate these things dictate our thoughts and how we feel about each other. But there it is! White America perceives her as a threat and Black America perceives her as a traitor.

This is my opinion and mine only. That's how I see it. Imagine if the entire human race was blind. We would find a way to be prejudice against other people because maybe the size of their hands or the way they smell. It's just human nature.

Stay above it and don't lose sight of your values. It's worth the effort!

[thebigspendur]

It's very simple. The trans gender folks or related ones aren't just saying they are this and that, they are different and I think the medical establishment would say psychologically they are different for a variety of reasons.

In the case you mention she is a liar and deceiver plain and simple. In a way a confidence person using her assumed race for personal gain.

[gssixgun]

It's very simple. The trans gender folks or related ones aren't just saying they are this and that, they are different and I think the medical establishment would say psychologically they are different for a variety of reasons.

In the case you mention she is a liar and deceiver plain and simple. In a way a confidence person using her assumed race for personal gain.

So just like Elizabeth Warren

[thebigspendur]

So just like Elizabeth Warren

I guess her birth certificate is phony like Obama eh?

[gssixgun]

I guess her birth certificate is phony like Obama eh?

She claimed Native American status to get special grants and scholarships without any evidence other then she thought she had heard that from a relative..

no different from Donzel other than color

[ChrisL]

It's very simple. The trans gender folks or related ones aren't just saying they are this and that, they are different and I think the medical establishment would say psychologically they are different for a variety of reasons.

In the case you mention she is a liar and deceiver plain and simple. In a way a confidence person using her assumed race for personal gain.

Saying transgender are different depends on the parameters used to determine the differences. A post-op transsexual although forever biologically the gender they were born clearly alters his/her appearance in a radical way to the gender they perceive/think themselves to be and western society has accepted the individual's perception of themselves as their new gender.

My understanding about the shifting perception of gender in western society is that currently pre-op transsexuals or even those that have made no radical changes of any kind are also accepted as the gender they think they are. "I think [ I'm a different gender than I am biologically] therefore I am"....

The intent of my post here is not to focus on Dolezal's deceit but rather to pose the question why is: "I think [I'm a different gender than I am biologically] therefore I am" acceptable and embraced by society but: "I think [I'm a different race than I am biologically] therefore I am" is not accepted and even brushed aside as poppycock?

I'm not making light of this; I'm not, for example saying that because transgender by thought is accepted that thinking you're an animal, a chair, etc should also be accepted. I think if transgender than why not transracial is a very legitimate question.....

[sharptonn]

And I might reply...Whatever! Lets just not wave things in other's faces in this age of information.
Discretion is the better part of valor.
JMO

[thebigspendur]

Saying transgender are different depends on the parameters used to determine the differences. A post-op transsexual although forever biologically the gender they were born clearly alters his/her appearance in a radical way to the gender they perceive/think themselves to be and western society has accepted the individual's perception of themselves as their new gender.

My understanding about the shifting perception of gender in western society is that currently pre-op transsexuals or even those that have made no radical changes of any kind are also accepted as the gender they think they are. "I think [ I'm a different gender than I am biologically] therefore I am"....

The intent of my post here is not to focus on Dolezal's deceit but rather to pose the question why is: "I think [I'm a different gender than I am biologically] therefore I am" acceptable and embraced by society but: "I think [I'm a different race than I am biologically] therefore I am" is not accepted and even brushed aside as poppycock?

I'm not making light of this; I'm not, for example saying that because transgender by thought is accepted that thinking you're an animal, a chair, etc should also be accepted. I think if transgender than why not transracial is a very legitimate question.....

Sure if your mother is black and your father is white you be trans-racial. Just because I think I'm a cow doesn't make me one.

[Marshal]

Sure if your mother is black and your father is white you be trans-racial. Just because I think I'm a cow doesn't make me one.

Just for argument's sake/devil's advocacy, I think there is actually a trans species movement.

Fortunately we're not at a point where we're willing to accept and encourage that level of crazy.

At any rate, I think it's laughable for someone with 2 white parents, Blonde hair, Blue eyes, and couldn't be more European if they had stepped off the Mayflower 398 years ago, to claim they're anything else but white.

Looks like the poor girl lives in a tanning bed, or dumps thousands of dollars in spray on tans. Either of the 2 are more liable to cause cancer than just laying out in the sun. She's got a screw loose, and most of the black people I've talked to about it tend to feel insulted that she'd lie about who she is, what her parentage is - biologically not in her head - to get where she was.

It probably also has a lot to do with claiming that her white father was a black man. If she lied about that, she's probably also lying about 'drawing herself as black at age 4,' and that black raggedy anne doll her aunt supposedly made. From where I sit, this is just the ugly side of white guilt & the resulting complex from her misbegotten shame in what she actually is. Trans-anything people don't create some twisted fantasy of what their parentage/lineage is. Even the trans-species ones. I tend to think they have a screw loose too, but so long as they're not lying or hurting anyone/anything, I can accept them and their craziness.