Thread: Why does it seem like everyone is trashing Rachel Dolezal??

And I might reply...Whatever! Lets just not wave things in other's faces in this age of information.
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Originally Posted by gssixgun

So just like Elizabeth Warren

I guess her birth certificate is phony like Obama eh?

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Saying transgender are different depends on the parameters used to determine the differences. A post-op transsexual although forever biologically the gender they were born clearly alters his/her appearance in a radical way to the gender they perceive/think themselves to be and western society has accepted the individual's perception of themselves as their new gender.

My understanding about the shifting perception of gender in western society is that currently pre-op transsexuals or even those that have made no radical changes of any kind are also accepted as the gender they think they are. "I think [ I'm a different gender than I am biologically] therefore I am"....

The intent of my post here is not to focus on Dolezal's deceit but rather to pose the question why is: "I think [I'm a different gender than I am biologically] therefore I am" acceptable and embraced by society but: "I think [I'm a different race than I am biologically] therefore I am" is not accepted and even brushed aside as poppycock?

I'm not making light of this; I'm not, for example saying that because transgender by thought is accepted that thinking you're an animal, a chair, etc should also be accepted. I think if transgender than why not transracial is a very legitimate question.....

Sure if your mother is black and your father is white you be trans-racial. Just because I think I'm a cow doesn't make me one.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Sure if your mother is black and your father is white you be trans-racial. Just because I think I'm a cow doesn't make me one.

Just for argument's sake/devil's advocacy, I think there is actually a trans species movement.

Fortunately we're not at a point where we're willing to accept and encourage that level of crazy.

At any rate, I think it's laughable for someone with 2 white parents, Blonde hair, Blue eyes, and couldn't be more European if they had stepped off the Mayflower 398 years ago, to claim they're anything else but white.

Looks like the poor girl lives in a tanning bed, or dumps thousands of dollars in spray on tans. Either of the 2 are more liable to cause cancer than just laying out in the sun. She's got a screw loose, and most of the black people I've talked to about it tend to feel insulted that she'd lie about who she is, what her parentage is - biologically not in her head - to get where she was.

It probably also has a lot to do with claiming that her white father was a black man. If she lied about that, she's probably also lying about 'drawing herself as black at age 4,' and that black raggedy anne doll her aunt supposedly made. From where I sit, this is just the ugly side of white guilt & the resulting complex from her misbegotten shame in what she actually is. Trans-anything people don't create some twisted fantasy of what their parentage/lineage is. Even the trans-species ones. I tend to think they have a screw loose too, but so long as they're not lying or hurting anyone/anything, I can accept them and their craziness.

My hope for tolerance is that someday, being xxxx race, gender, etc... is not a condition for or against you getting a job anywhere.

I can't see where all of this Social Engineering has really done any good. But then again, I'm a 56 yr old white male.

Originally Posted by kelbro

My hope for tolerance is that someday, being xxxx race, gender, etc... is not a condition for or against you getting a job anywhere.

I can't see where all of this Social Engineering has really done any good. But then again, I'm a 56 yr old white male.

The issue is that a Caucasian misrepresented her ethnicity to gain a position of leadership in an organization devoted to the furtherance of that other ethnicity's well being. The whole thing would have been considered bizarre in past decades, but now in this alternative reality we seem to find ourselves in, it is par for the course.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The issue is that a Caucasian misrepresented her ethnicity to gain a position of leadership in an organization devoted to the furtherance of that other ethnicity's well being. The whole thing would have been considered bizarre in past decades, but now in this alternative reality we seem to find ourselves in, it is par for the course.

Understood. It's the presumed NEED for any group that has a race or gender in their title that is disappointing to me.

I don't care who you think you are, who you love, where your relatives came from. Just leave things a little better than you found them and we all win.

Originally Posted by kelbro

Understood. It's the presumed NEED for any group that has a race or gender in their title that is disappointing to me.

I don't care who you think you are, who you love, where your relatives came from. Just leave things a little better than you found them and we all win.

I agree. I was listening to the late Pastor J. Vernon Mcgee on a radio broadcast of a sermon. I was in my car and didn't hear the beginning, so I don't know which book of the Bible it was. JVM was originally from Kentucky, though he pastored most of his life in Los Angeles.

The sermon was from the '60s and he said (paraphrasing) 'a lot of people are talking about integration nowadays.' I took a deep breath wondering what he would say ..... he said, 'In heaven there will be no segregation but all will be one.' That is the truth. We have to wait for it, but the day will come.

Really it's like during the draft while wars were going on and some folks filed for conscientious objector status. Anyone can claim it but if you want the classification you have to prove it by past deeds.

Similarly, anyone can claim to be anything they want. You can claim to be the King of England or Napoleon's great grandson or the surviving Romanov but in the end it's all meaningless you have to prove it and show what gives you that status.

I'm not sure what the OP is trying to do here. I suspect his real motive is to imply all this transgender stuff is nonsense by comparing this woman to them. The comparison is a false equivalent.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I'm not sure what the OP is trying to do here. I suspect his real motive is to imply all this transgender stuff is nonsense by comparing this woman to them. The comparison is a false equivalent.

No. My bad in using Dolezal as an example since deception is a key factor in her particular case.

I don't have a motive and my opinion in regard to transgender is not relevant. Society has simply shifted recognizing gender based on biology to gender based on the subjective perception of the individual. Generations from now people would give a blank stare to someone who says gender is based on biology because in the future gender will be based on perception and won't be based on biology. It is what it is.

Gender is evolving to be based on an individual's perception of who they think they are irrespective of their biology, period. It is what it is. My only point is that a person can also perceive themselves to be a different race irrespective of their biology and I don't think it's any different than gender perceptions.

Trying to differentiate between gender and race in this regard in relation to the way someone may perceive themselves opposite from their biology will get us into stereotypes....

"He dressed up in girl's clothes even as a child and has always been effeminate. He's always thought of himself as a woman. As such, society should recognize him as a woman based on his perception of himself...."

"The white girl grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Her step-siblings are black. She has only always listed to rap music and has always had the same mannerisms and talks in the same vernacular as her black friends and peers. She has always thought of herself as black."

Yes, not all women are effeminate, not all black people listen to rap music or talk in a certain categorical vernacular........

My point is that I don't think it's right to recognize gender perceptions but refuse as a society to accept race perceptions. "We accept [ ], but [ ] is just plain crazy" when both perceptions are based on something different than the person's biology.