Thread: Why does it seem like everyone is trashing Rachel Dolezal??

Originally Posted by ChrisL

My intent with the post though is that society can decide collectively that as a majority it believes "X". Right or wrong, good or bad, moral or immoral, reality based or fantastical, logical or illogical, my point is that people as well as on a larger scale, societies can choose to believe anything. Debating the merits of beliefs isn't my intent.

Bottom line in regard to my post: Transgender including simply by thought = OK. Transracial including simply by thought = Not OK. My opinion is that it doesn't seem right to accept the one but reject the other. That's all.

The defect in your argument is transgender by thought. I'm sure there may be some who just decide to be that way but the greater majority do because there are physical manifestations in their bodies and or brains that bring them to that decision. In our society you pay a big price when you make that decision and the ramifications will preclude someone just willy nilly saying gee, I want to be a woman not a man.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The defect in your argument is transgender by thought. I'm sure there may be some who just decide to be that way but the greater majority do because there are physical manifestations in their bodies and or brains that bring them to that decision. In our society you pay a big price when you make that decision and the ramifications will preclude someone just willy nilly saying gee, I want to be a woman not a man.

The defect in my argument? I'm repeating what is accepted by society at present. Would you mean then, the defect in society's argument?

Maybe things will evolve into being anchored more concretely in science but I'm referring to the here and now.

It is a fact, that at present, there is no mandatory medical standard for transgenger recognition. Nope.
No: "You must 'live as a woman' for X number of days, weeks, months, years for society to recognize you as a woman/man, etc. Nope.
You must be post-op for society to believe you. Nope.
Must have a childhood history of acting like the opposite sex. Nope
We could go on and on....
Unless you're aware of something I'm not?

Bottom line is that, in the here and now, there is no medical certification using science to prove someone's gender perception opposite their biological gender being legitimate rather than being a bogus claim. So, yes, in fact in the here and now, someone CAN say or can think they're the opposite gender by fiat and in fact society recognizes this to the extent that someone can declare they are a woman today and back to believing they're a male next week, next year, etc. I'm not making this up, nor am I passing judgement. I'm stating fact.

We may be under the assumption that anyone who may think of themselves as transracial is either outright fabricating a lie or doesn't really believe it and is just making such a statement based on some ulterior motive. Unless someone is hermaphroditic, I think there's more scientific evidence for transracial than transgender given the potential for a racially diverse linneage for anyone other than a person who, along with their entire ancestry, has been in an homogeneous society.