Thread: The Sissy talks

Helmet is not really gonna help you when you fall on stairs and get paralyzed because you wrecked your spine... One of my friends did that back home.

Having said this - I do wear helmet when I bomb stairs and grind (hm, I haven't done this for a good 5 years, just cruise - I am a parent now, have more responsibility). After a particularly vicious fall right next to a kids' playground, witnessed by my older daughter, I have stopped doing this stuff. Let me say that all the other mothers on the playground just took their kids and left after they saw my spill My daughter was like "whoa, that's cool!" Bless her heart, she didn't think for a second that Daddy can be hurt (and I wasn't, luckily). For the record - where I was about to land after a high air a black Lab appeared and I chose to fall to the side, rather than crush it with my skates... Fun times

I clean my razors with alcohol each time

Cheers
Ivo

Just glad to have ya back Steve

Originally Posted by izlat

Helmet is not really gonna help you when you fall on stairs and get paralyzed because you wrecked your spine... One of my friends did that back home.

Having said this - I do wear helmet when I bomb stairs and grind (hm, I haven't done this for a good 5 years, just cruise - I am a parent now, have more responsibility). After a particularly vicious fall right next to a kids' playground, witnessed by my older daughter, I have stopped doing this stuff. Let me say that all the other mothers on the playground just took their kids and left after they saw my spill My daughter was like "whoa, that's cool!" Bless her heart, she didn't think for a second that Daddy can be hurt (and I wasn't, luckily). For the record - where I was about to land after a high air a black Lab appeared and I chose to fall to the side, rather than crush it with my skates... Fun times

I clean my razors with alcohol each time

Cheers
Ivo

Thing is you can't rule out every possibility. I like Murphy's law:

Everytime we make something foolproof someone comes up with a better fool.


so yeah, you try and calculate in the stuff that happends all the time and hope the weird stuff never happends. I for one try to wear wristguards all the time. I realized it's my achilles heel in rollerblading, I hurt those the most.



Anyway....yaay Steve's not gone!!

well well.... this isn't over folks.... you might not want to read the very bottom.
I DON'T MINCE WORDS.

Perhaps this is what Mr. Steve was apologizing for in his first post in this thread.

From my email.



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This is the message:

I apologize for offending you with my #53 post. Apparently, I don't
communicate clearly as it wasn't just about one political "off topic"
discussion but a pattern.

And, for what it's worth, should I not read a post on shaving cream?
There was one recently that a poster decided was a good place to vent
about his political views.

You see, it goes into other posts as well, not just the "Off topic".

But, since I've cleaned up all remaining business. I no longer have
reason to hang around and offend anyone. I'll just to over into my corner
and cry my little sissy eyes out now.

Steve


IF this is what you were apologizing for in this thread then I would expect a more direct statement than some "ho... ho... grumble...... conscience...... silly of me.... whose names I can't remember.......blah blah...." apology.

I believe it should start with " Dear Shaun, I'm sorry I sent you a shitty email. It was cowardly of me to insult you privately instead of letting everyone see me being a jerk. I was afraid they would see a rude post as being hypocritical after my condemnation of other peoples similar conduct. I now realize that this is the exact sort of thing that can start big problems and am ashamed to have acted in such a manner."

and if this wasn't what you were talking about, well then it's just as well that people see it.


As for the post about shaving cream and a political rant....
I'm sure someone explained to him that the "Off Topic" thread is where things of this sort belong, and that he won't do it again.



After all, everyone makes mistakes. Right?

Great White Hunter,
Steve may or may not have owed you an open apology for all to see, I don't know. If you had any class though you would have told steve this in private!

By the way, I don't mince words either!

Mark Avery

Ok, X sent a message informing me that it was improper to post someones email address without their consent and I agree. I simply hadn't considered it.
I have edited it out of my previous post so Steve doesn't get spam because of me.

The rest of this is slightly ramble-ish and generally not very well written because I'm suffering from extreme sleep deprivation.


As for JMS about that private apology.

Since it is unclear if anyone else received emails, I thought I would bring this to light.
If you feel strongly enough to make a statement in private then I see no reason why the same statement should not be made in public.(barring physical harm)

I read Steve's post about being sorry and was a little confused.

Originally Posted by steve

Let me say this: I apologize to you all for the manner in which I voiced my anger and frustration. There are reasons for my anger and frustration but there are no excuses for the manner in which I displayed them. Understanding that my credibility has been damaged beyond repair, nevertheless wanting to do the right thing, I apologize and ask, if you will someday find it within you, to forgive me for my bull-headed actions.......
.....Yes, I know that no apology will heal any wounds caused by what I've done.

Sorry?
Sorry for what?

Sorry I hadn't checked my email yet !

Sorry for engaging in exactly the sort of behavior that he claimed to find so distasteful, that's what !
Nasty emails are unacceptable.
Period.

I never called Steve a sissy any more than X's thread about not breaching certain topics was intended to "hush" Steve up.
Furthermore, I had never posted in the particular thread that had offended him in the first place.


Everyone is so happy to have Steve back, I wonder who else got a rude email?

Back to the public part.
The last time I made an ass of myself, I was all too willing to come right out and explain what had happened, and that it was a mixture of confusion and ignorance rather than intentional ass making on my part.

I have, in the past, offered that my PM explanation could be posted if the offended person wished to do so, so that everyone could see and understand exactly what had been said.
Bruno and X can both confirm this.
Most times these things are just a simple misunderstanding.
One I had with Bruno was little more than a failure to separate two thoughts from each other.

I feel however that this was a different sort of exchange and was a little more personal.

Steve has stated that

Originally Posted by steve

I know that no apology will heal any wounds caused by what I've done.

Well Steve, I'd be more than happy to forgive you now that I understand what you would be apologizing for.
I'm only offended in principle, but that does count.

Oh yeah, I meant to say.

I could be wrong on this. I'm not sure. Sometimes I totally misread things.

If the general consensus is that I'm wrong, I may have to reconsider my position, but this is how it looks to me right now.

I dunno, Shaun. I'm not getting the same sense of offence as you are.

You mention extreme sleep deprivation and the possibility of getting things wrong -- maybe in this case?

Originally Posted by majurey

I dunno, Shaun. I'm not getting the same sense of offence as you are.

You mention extreme sleep deprivation and the possibility of getting things wrong -- maybe in this case?

My major points are that

1) My thread was inspired by members who would rather say something behind "closed PMs" instead of coming out and saying something in public or joining the conversation, or just whine because they found political content in a political thread.

2) This is exactly what happened here, except this time the member had the nerve to be SOMEWHAT more direct, but still didn't have the common decency to say it in front of everyone and let the forum judge him.

3) I am not beating a dead horse.
If the horse was dead I would have understood Steve's apology to mean that I had some reason to have been offended.
If it had been specific enough then I would have caught on and not been surprised when I checked my email.

4) His apology said

Originally Posted by steve

To: GW, Ilija, Justin, Xman, JMS, LX, everyone else whose names I can not remember right now

Does this mean he sent similar emails to everyone? Does this mean he sent rude emails to people whose names aren't even important enough to remember?
If not and it was just me then I don't see why I shouldn't be a little extra peeved.

We aren't talking about Socialism here, it's not guns, your mamma, or the price of tea in china.(more than in styrofoam to be sure)

We are talking about condemning other members for (what he found to be) rude comments and making a point of telling everyone about it in a very "LOOK AT ME" sort of way that endangers the free speech of everyone on the forum.

Then he turns around and makes a weak apology that doesn't cite the offenses for which he wishes to make amends.
But people won't forget when good ol Steve almost left because someone said something. It is one more nail in the coffin of free speech and bothers me even more than the personal attack.

I don't know about you but I expect even a child to state the reasons for their apology. Not just " I'm sorry. "
I would expect an adult to adhere to the same standards.

I'm sorry.
You know why?
No, that's why I'm going to tell you.

I'm sorry I'm not the most eloquent member here and sometimes things that aren't supposed to look like a rant just come out that way anyways.

Well, I knew when I posted this that people might have at me and that is only right.

Let's address GW's posts (some of them at least). I did send him an email while still hot and bothered and still had my panties in a wad. I went back and looked for it for the purpose of posting it here in the interest of full disclosure. I don't have it anymore. I had not realized that it offended him even more and thought I was doing the right thing in this post.

My list of people I addressed my apology to does not imply I send messages to everyone on that list (I did send another message to one other person, and so far as I know, I still do have the right to talk privately with people). The list is because there were several people who had read my post and commented on it in one fashion or another. I was trying to be as inclusive in remembering who commented as I could be. Anyone left out is not because the are not important enough to remember.

The reason for the title "The Sissy Speaks" is a direct reference to a post by GW which I thought was an accurate description of my behavior and it was a different enough title to attract people's attention which I wanted to make sure of.

GW, yes, in retrospect now, I understand that my email was rude. I am sorry for that. I am sorry for offending you. I am sorry that I handled things improperly in not making a private apology to you as well as this public apology. I believe that I have no way of making amends for my actions. I can't think of anything I else I can do or say.

I, too, am not eloquent of speech. It appears that even trying to own up to my stupidity, I say wrong things. At this point, I have nothing else that I know of which I can offer to begin to make amends.

I'll list some of my offenses for which I meant to apologize:

1. Acting like a cry baby when I got offended.
2. Endangering other's free speech
3. Being a hypocrite in that I made a post that did exactly what I condemn others for doing
4. Being ready (and threatening) to leave the forum instead of acting like a man and working any issues out in an adult manner
5. Posts and email sent while still too hot-headed to make them in a civilizes manner

What more can I do?