Thread: The Coming Storm

Originally Posted by BobH

Whoa, can you make that "travel across the US"? I don't want to deal with that up here too.

Bob

Remember 54-40 or fight. Maybe this time the northern parts of the new U.S want it all. Maybe now it's 90-40

Har har sorry I meant the U.S.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Remember 54-40 or fight. Maybe this time the northern parts of the new U.S want it all. Maybe now it's 90-40

Har har sorry I meant the U.S.

You never know about these things. Just bugging you but on reflection it could effect everyone outside the US wanting to visit and travel around. Might be bit of a nightmare.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

You never know about these things. Just bugging you but on reflection it could effect everyone outside the US wanting to visit and travel around. Might be bit of a nightmare.

Bob

If the regions want tourists they will find a way to make it easier.

It is like people have never read the Constitution, explains a whole lot

Bob you are not American so I don't expect you to understand how it works I sure don't know how your laws work..

But you would think that Americans would know what the Constitution says ***No wonder there is a storm coming***


The Constitution clearly limits the Federal Government’s role to providing for the common defense, management of foreign relations, protection of citizens’ constitutional rights, establishment of federal courts; and the application and explanation of federal law ( there are a few other minor exceptions). No branch of the Federal Government is authorized to handle any other issue. Therefore, the Federal Government should be strictly limited to these tasks. All others tasks/issues should be reassigned to the states, local governments, and individual Citizens. The Congress cannot legally delegate its authority to someone else, as per the nondelegation doctrine.


The Federal Government has outgrown it's pants, it is fat and overweight from all the pork

If you are familiar with what is most often called the Tytler Cycle (May be attributed to Alexander Tytler) it is easy to understand where the US finds itself today..

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”


and there it is

Guessing the demographic of members here is white middle age baby boomers, we possibly lived the best period of time on this planet.
Jobs were plentiful, food and housing affordable, clothing expensive but well made. Water was abundant and clean.
Education was free, even higher education was accessible. Barely a care in the world.
The exact opposite is true now it seems.
Glenn hit the nail on the head, and as much as you may dislike socialism or communism, no system works forever. We are at the point of greed.
For the American members, maybe Google plutocracy.

I worry for my grandchildren.

All I can say to that, is. NAFTA.!

Originally Posted by outback

All I can say to that, is. NAFTA.!

A funny story, well maybe not so funny, concerning the old NAFTA. The wife and I met an American couple over breakfast in Hawaii. After the usual pleasantries we were asked what we thought of NAFTA. I replied that after Canada and the US signed NAFTA our manufacturing jobs started to disappear and reappear in the southern US States. I also said now that Mexico is going to sign on to NAFTA you'll see your jobs heading south of the border.

He told me that he worked in the publishing business and that a brand new plant had been built in Texas with the only thing missing was the production equipment. That equipment went right passed the plant into Mexico.

I told him welcome to NAFTA, now it is your turn to bend over and take it. All we could do was shake our heads at the situation.

All this was at the beginning of the globalisation of free trade. So here we are now all sitting on sore backsides. I have to give China, a communist country, credit as they saw an opportunity to use the now rampant greed of capitalism to rise to where they are today.

Bob

What we have now is crony capitalism. The oligarchy and fed reserve own it all. The only reason we’re here is to feed the machine that we, through our greed and gluttony have accepted as a society to get the things we’re told to want and value.

We as US citizens emulate what we watch our governments do (local, federal, etc.)which beg borrow and steal with no regard to those about us or our descendants. We can continue to manipulate the market and grow globalism and subsidize those of us who don’t want to contribute and continue to push middle America to the coasts while corporate America takes over rural America and controls all the food.

I’m watching the same thing play out in California’s Central Valley. The wine industry is fine for water while the “less important” agriculture like fruit and vegetables is left to dry out next to our nice new train to Bakersfield and the delapidated aqueduct.

We are victims of our own hubris.

If the cost of freedom is poverty, I’ll take that over indentured servitude any day.

Originally Posted by celticcrusader

To be honest, I personally felt pretty threatened in the UK during the first lockdown, we saw mass panic buying stores with empty shelves

I suppose it depends where in the UK you live. I didn't feel remotely threatened. A few wallys were running round buying up toilet paper and paracetemol, but as a household, we didn't run out of anything. Tesco and Sainsburys were initially caught out, but soon everything was back on the shelves. Most folk around here actually talked to each other while they were queuing, kind of war-time spirit. I was furloughed for a few weeks, so I finally caught up all the jobs I'd been too busy to get done. Decorating, car repairs and so on. The major plus was that no one was constantly asking me to do things. I even found time to shave in the mornings using a cutthroat.

There is a big assumption that the Constitution is a "dead" document meaning it's written in stone and that's it, game over. Another opinion is that it is a live document and the founding fathers intended for it to be altered to meet the needs of the population.

Since they are all dead we don't know what their intentions were. Yea, it's like the bible. You can find passages to support just about anything. There is no shortage of opinions either way.

In keeping with the tone of this thread I'm keeping what I said neutral. As they say you buy your ticket and you take your ride.