Thread: McCain frightens me!!!

I am going to make a rather cynical proposition here:
Could it be that Senator McCain has been positioning himself politically to obtain as much power as possible to do as much damage as possible to this country for his time spent in Vietnam as a POW? Maybe, whether he is aware of it or not, he blames America and has never gotten over it?

What do you think?

Originally Posted by JMS

I am going to make a rather cynical proposition here:
Could it be that Senator McCain has been positioning himself politically to obtain as much power as possible to do as much damage as possible to this country for his time spent in Vietnam as a POW? Maybe, whether he is aware of it or not, he blames America and has never gotten over it?

What do you think?

Somehow, I think he loves the country in his own way

Originally Posted by JMS

I am going to make a rather cynical proposition here:
Could it be that Senator McCain has been positioning himself politically to obtain as much power as possible to do as much damage as possible to this country for his time spent in Vietnam as a POW? Maybe, whether he is aware of it or not, he blames America and has never gotten over it?

What do you think?

No, I do not believe this in the slightest.

Jordan

Until all of us get involved in government, not just the elections, but I mean a willingness to attend meetings, run and serve, and keep an actual eye on these people and communicate with each other and organize we will continue to lose to the special interests that dictate the policies of either party. Americans have sat on the sidelines too long waiting for someone else to do something.
If government of, by and for the people is to succeed, we as americans need to to get off our asses and get involved. It will be a great inconvenience to the average american, especially with competing interests like tv, sports, etc.But if we do not run this country ourselves, others will do it(and have) for t
heir own selfish interests.
As for the two party system, I believe it no longer exists, Cant really tell the difference between the actions of Dems or Reps, just a lot of hyperbole. We really need to support 3rd party candidates so the supposed 2 partys will have some competition, and be inclined to clean up their act. JMHO, I do not mean to inflame or offend.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Until all of us get involved in government, not just the elections, but I mean a willingness to attend meetings, run and serve, and keep an actual eye on these people and communicate with each other and organize we will continue to lose to the special interests that dictate the policies of either party. Americans have sat on the sidelines too long waiting for someone else to do something.
If government of, by and for the people is to succeed, we as americans need to to get off our asses and get involved. It will be a great inconvenience to the average american, especially with competing interests like tv, sports, etc.But if we do not run this country ourselves, others will do it(and have) for t
heir own selfish interests.
As for the two party system, I believe it no longer exists, Cant really tell the difference between the actions of Dems or Reps, just a lot of hyperbole. We really need to support 3rd party candidates so the supposed 2 partys will have some competition, and be inclined to clean up their act. JMHO, I do not mean to inflame or offend.

Nice post, but I'm too busy paying attention to this forum!

Originally Posted by Bruno

From what I see happening, you should have been defending your rights already for the last couple of years. All bush-bashing aside, the man seems to regard the constitution and the bill of rights more like some sort of guideline, to be trundled out when it is convenient to do so, and to ignore when it is not.

One of the problems you are facing is that you have a dual party system in which real newcomers don't have any chance at all. Both individually and partywise.
So by the time someone has floated to the top sufficiently to take a shot at the presidency, he / she has accumulated so much baggage that they have to follow the group think of their party.

Even if you'd be able to elect a 3d party candidate, he effectively be hamstrung by congress, except when executive decisions have to be made.

Very sadly true.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Until all of us get involved in government, not just the elections, but I mean a willingness to attend meetings, run and serve, and keep an actual eye on these people and communicate with each other and organize we will continue to lose to the special interests that dictate the policies of either party. Americans have sat on the sidelines too long waiting for someone else to do something.
If government of, by and for the people is to succeed, we as americans need to to get off our asses and get involved. It will be a great inconvenience to the average american, especially with competing interests like tv, sports, etc.But if we do not run this country ourselves, others will do it(and have) for t
heir own selfish interests.
As for the two party system, I believe it no longer exists, Cant really tell the difference between the actions of Dems or Reps, just a lot of hyperbole. We really need to support 3rd party candidates so the supposed 2 partys will have some competition, and be inclined to clean up their act. JMHO, I do not mean to inflame or offend.

I will be supporting a third party candidate this year. I simply find myself unable to compromise my principals enough to vote against one person who will bring ruination to the world in favor of voting for one who has a good chance of doing the same.

If anyone out there hasn't taken a good look at the various third party candidates all I can say is: Get off your lazy butt participate in your own future and stop being led around by the nose by a biased media who has their own agenda.

(you do know that being led around by the nose refers to the way bulls were traditionally led with ring in their noses and they all eventually get led into the slaughter house.)

Originally Posted by jockeys

and all 4 have a voting record that says they don't give a damn about the personal liberties of their constituency.

+1.

I don't like any of them. While the networks try to play it off like the candidates are "different" they are IMHO almost clones of each other with regard to much of what I find important, the only differences being irrelevant and on the surface.
I don't care if one is black or the other is a Mormon or one is a woman. I feel they should be able not just to show that "the other candidate is bad" but to show they would be a good leader for the country. Enough petty squabbling back and forth, they sound like 5 year olds fighting in a sand box. I am ready to hear their visions, and then evaluate from that who would be better for the country, [in my opinion] and vote for that person.

Honestly these things drag out. If the candidates were all forced to sit down and take a long, well thought out test, we could sort through the important things from their answers, and avoid 90% of the useless belly-aching the candidates are currently doing.


John P.

Originally Posted by JohnP

I don't like any of them. While the networks try to play it off like the candidates are "different" they are IMHO almost clones of each other with regard to much of what I find important, the only differences being irrelevant and on the surface.

Spoken like a Nader supporter. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. Can you honestly say that there wouldn't be some substantial differences if the 2000 and 2004 elections went the other way??

Originally Posted by JMS

I am going to make a rather cynical proposition here:
Could it be that Senator McCain has been positioning himself politically to obtain as much power as possible to do as much damage as possible to this country for his time spent in Vietnam as a POW? Maybe, whether he is aware of it or not, he blames America and has never gotten over it?

What do you think?

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Somehow, I think he loves the country in his own way

Originally Posted by jnich67

No, I do not believe this in the slightest.

Jordan

Just a thought that occurred to me. Although I am not certain that my proposition is the absolute truth I do believe that there is a "shadow" of truth to what I proposed!

Originally Posted by ScottS

Spoken like a Nader supporter. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. Can you honestly say that there wouldn't be some substantial differences if the 2000 and 2004 elections went the other way??

For one thing, the US might not have started the pointless war in Iraq, triggering a civil war from which there is no right way anymore to pull out, and saving themselves a couple of trillions of dollars.