Thread: McCain frightens me!!!

I agree with some of you concerning McCain. I don't care much for him. I really wish there was a true conservative running. Ron Paul was the closest thing to that. I wish Paul had more of a knack with the BS political process. Besides the Paul's issue on the Iraq war, I have no other issues with him. There was also a comment made earlier, from a member that I respect very much, that was incorrect. There was never a deficit of $0. when Bush came into office. I'm not defending Bush, I don't like him. He's an idiot, but there was not a $0 deficit when he came into office. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this matter. I'm not trying to make this thread heated. I have just heard this from some other people before who have mistaken budgets set by presidents/congress, and national debt.

Originally Posted by Aaron S.

I really wish there was a true conservative running. Ron Paul was the closest thing to that.

actually, Paul self-identifies as a libertarian. If you are interested in learning about what defines that, check out http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Originally Posted by jockeys

actually, Paul self-identifies as a libertarian. If you are interested in learning about what defines that, check out http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Thank you for clarifying that for me and anyone else. I wasn't stating that Ron Paul is a conservative. As stated in your quote, he is the closest thing to it. At least in comparison to
the other candidates.

Originally Posted by Aaron S.

There was also a comment made earlier, from a member that I respect very much, that was incorrect. There was never a deficit of $0. when Bush came into office. I'm not defending Bush, I don't like him. He's an idiot, but there was not a $0 deficit when he came into office. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this matter. I'm not trying to make this thread heated. I have just heard this from some other people before who have mistaken budgets set by presidents/congress, and national debt.

Are you referring to the fact that there is no such thing as a surplus or deficit since our money system no longer works like the gold standard anymore?

I don't think most people realize that absolutly none of our federal income tax goes to the goverment. Congress decides how much we are going to spend. They divy out a little here, a little there, a little to there friends, don't forget the people who got you elected. Then once they decide how many trillions of dollars they go to the federal reserve, a private bank for profit, and take a loan out on that amount. If it's not enough, for oh let's say a war, then they just take out another loan, and another, and another, etc.. Then when the loan is due, we have to take another loan to pay off the last loan. Try doing that with your credit cards and see what happens.

I got the shit beat out of me for suggesting that microwaving a steam towel is not a good thing to suggest to a newbie.

I can't imagine what kind of guts it takes to tell the whole forum your political views.



The way our system works, even if someone talented, intelligent, honest, and unbiased does get elected, they won't be able to do much.

Our biggest problem is that weapons of mass destruction are available to people who have not culturally or morally evolved beyond the stone age.

All I do is think of an atom bomb in the hands of an islamic fundamentalist, or even a Sierra Leone or Rawandan guerilla, and it doesn't seem to matter much WHO is elected president--we are all in deep doo-doo no matter what.

Originally Posted by toolarts

The way our system works, even if someone talented, intelligent, honest, and unbiased does get elected, they won't be able to do much.

Yep, people that know my political views thought ai was crazy hoping for ron paul in earlier stages, but I figured between his goals, and having to deal with congress something workable would come out.

Here are some words OF JOHN McCAIN:

"In all candor, we thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots who didn’t have the least notion of what it took to win the war."
McCain, Faith of My Fathers, pp. 185–186. ***

My question is, now that HE'S one of the Civilian Commanders, what's changed? Do today's Troops feel the same way about HIM?


He would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."
Lieut. Commander John S. McCain III, United States Navy. "How the POW's Fought Back", U.S. News & World Report, 1973-05-14 ***

Doesn't McCain say that Torture doesn't work? It appears to have worked on HIM! Which story is true? Did Torture work on John McCain, or doesn't it work? He CANNOT have it BOTH ways!
Another thing scares me about McCain. I have watched both versions of THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. The one that starred Frank Sinatra and the newer one, with Denzel Washngton. I am not sure that the John McCain who was shot down, is the SAME John McCain who's running for President.

One more thing...
McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899. ***

The cited information (***) above came from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Here are some words OF JOHN McCAIN:

"In all candor, we thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots who didn’t have the least notion of what it took to win the war."
McCain, Faith of My Fathers, pp. 185–186. ***

My question is, now that HE'S one of the Civilian Commanders, what's changed? Do today's Troops feel the same way about HIM?


He would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."
Lieut. Commander John S. McCain III, United States Navy. "How the POW's Fought Back", U.S. News & World Report, 1973-05-14 ***

Doesn't McCain say that Torture doesn't work? It appears to have worked on HIM! Which story is true? Did Torture work on John McCain, or doesn't it work? He CANNOT have it BOTH ways!
Another thing scares me about McCain. I have watched both versions of THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. The one that starred Frank Sinatra and the newer one, with Denzel Washngton. I am not sure that the John McCain who was shot down, is the SAME John McCain who's running for President.

One more thing...
McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899. ***

The cited information (***) above came from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

I was thinking the same thing but didn't dare say it out loud!

You have to look at the facts- not your feelings. I generally don't get involved in these discussions either, but this is one time when I realize the outcome of this election will have far reaching consequences.

Alot is said about every candidate, except Huckabee and Paul- they are just "Also Ran's" They have zero chance of party nomination and they know that.
The race is between Obama (a no experience, no policy, no platform, no stance until he knows how you want him to stand nobody), Hilary (a closet Socialist), McCain (liberal disguised as a Republican) and Romney (an honest to goodness business man...with issues).

This entire race so far has been a case of self important people who thought people liked and respected them.

I'm in MA- We (somehow) elected an "Obama" for governor and are paying for it! Patrick is useless and has already undermined the fiscal gains and corrections Romney made in his term. Romney took a state with lots of Pork projects, high taxes, big deficit, and big government and balanced the budget, eliminated the deficit, killed the pork and brought growth. Patrick's first act as gov was to spend money! (new office furniture and a Cadillac since the state owned Lincoln wasn't good enough).
Everyone I know in the State government says the same thing- Patrick's inexperience and poor judgment is very evident. Do you want THAT in the White House?!
(Incidentally, no one in this state knows how Teddy keeps getting elected either- I don't know anyone who knows anyone who votes for him!)

McCain is a war hero. I thank him for his service to his country- but that has absolutely nothing to do with his policies, views, platform, or voting record.
He's not really "a Republican that is willing to reach across the isle"- if you actually look at the bills he co-authored (that this refers to) and his voting record on all items, he's more like a Democrat that's sitting on the wrong side.

The only Conservative view he has is not pulling out of Iraq like we did in Viet Nam. He wants open borders, Amnesty, allowing the UN to influence US Foreign policy, and Socialized health care and has absolutely no policies or experience with domestic policy.

Hilary may as well just come out and say it- she's a socialist. (look up socialism before arguing)

Romney is a business man. He has seen what open borders and illegals have done to my state and had his hands tied on immigration here. (We did have several raids in hot spots while he was in office!!) His views and platform is conservative and HE is electable. If you want to know about the disaster that is the health care system look in my state. Look at the free care clinics in the emergency rooms waisting resources instead of treating emergency patients. Look at the huge numbers of illegals in the waiting rooms. Look at the illegals refusing to be discharged from the hospital until after lunch so they can eat! (I have personally seen it- all of it!)

The only answers that will preserve the Sovereignty, security, and longevity of the USA are securing it's borders, enforcing it's borders, actively deporting ALL illegals, and cutting unnecessary government spending. Think about it for the long run. And yes, I personally would gladly pay higher taxes if the government was actively enforcing border security AND Deporting illegals.


Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. - Winston Churchill

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill quote

Everyone has his day and some days last longer than others.
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Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Here are some words OF JOHN McCAIN:

"In all candor, we thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots who didn’t have the least notion of what it took to win the war."
McCain, Faith of My Fathers, pp. 185–186. ***

My question is, now that HE'S one of the Civilian Commanders, what's changed? Do today's Troops feel the same way about HIM?


He would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."
Lieut. Commander John S. McCain III, United States Navy. "How the POW's Fought Back", U.S. News & World Report, 1973-05-14 ***

Doesn't McCain say that Torture doesn't work? It appears to have worked on HIM! Which story is true? Did Torture work on John McCain, or doesn't it work? He CANNOT have it BOTH ways!
Another thing scares me about McCain. I have watched both versions of THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. The one that starred Frank Sinatra and the newer one, with Denzel Washngton. I am not sure that the John McCain who was shot down, is the SAME John McCain who's running for President.

One more thing...
McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899. ***

The cited information (***) above came from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

This is one of the reasons I voted for him. Complicated issues- and life in general, cannot always be tied up into pretty little simple packages. I appreciate the fact that he can be honest without worrying about how his sound-byte will sound. I trust that he'll do his best to keep from making the same mistakes made in the 60s and more recently.

As for torture, I think what he meant when he said it doesn't work is that you won't get good intel from it. You'll hear what you want to hear from the person being tortured, not necessarily the truth.

I should hope he was changed by his experience as a POW. I said earlier if you come through that and lead a positive life, you had been changed and made "better". Tempered, if you will.

Who cares what his class rank was. That was long time ago. For what its worth, Jimmy Carter graduated 59th out of 820 at Annapolis. How good a president was he?

BTW, this has been a very civilized discussion so far and I appreciate it.



Jordan