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Thread: The purpose of government
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02-01-2008, 05:32 PM #31
Same in Baltimore and Denver. In Baltimore, they gave the team millions...meanwhile, many of the students graduating (if they managed that) couldn't spell "stadium".
This is one reason I have no use for "professional" sports....one group of millionaires chasing another group of millionaires across a field....paid for by citizens, most of whom can't even afford a ticket.
The owner of one of the Baltimore teams even forced the city to keep mom-and-pop roasted peanut vendors away from the immediate area of the stadium, as they were cutting into his profit from concessions.....what a parasite.
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02-01-2008, 05:35 PM #32
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02-01-2008, 05:38 PM #33
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02-01-2008, 05:43 PM #34
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02-01-2008, 05:51 PM #35
Yes, but programs that came out of the Depression: Unemployment, Social Security, FDIC, etc. Now, are some of these programs abused today? Hell, yes! But we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater (unless the kid is really ugly...
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To of the biggest problems in the US today are the people who feel they "deserve" something or that they are "owed" something.
Don't get me started on the pathetic treatment of our veterans.....
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02-01-2008, 05:53 PM #36
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02-01-2008, 06:18 PM #37
So what are we concluding here guys? (Anyone else notice we hardly ever make conclusions, we just debate? Just like governments!)
Are we saying that modern life has become so complex and over-governed that we should eschew state goverment?
Or shall are we damned to just sticking with the status quo and making sure we vote?
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02-01-2008, 06:20 PM #38
1) if you are paying more taxes, your healthcare isn't free, now is it?
2) i have all of those things you mentioned (minus the kids part, don't have any) the only difference is i get billed for them. i really don't have a problem paying for services i use. the difference is i CHOOSE to buy them, rather than having the gov't force me to
3) if you want to pay the gov't to hold your hand and nanny you, fine, but does that mean EVERYONE should get that choice chosen for them? i'd rather take care of myself when i can, pay someone else to when i can't, and have the gov't stay the heck away.
in summary, i think folks ought to be able to have a level of government they are comfortable with, rather than the "one size fits all" mentality, ESPECIALLY if that one size is a nanny state that thinks it knows what i need better than i do.
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02-01-2008, 06:23 PM #39
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02-01-2008, 06:25 PM #40
Read some Milton Friedman. There is a good case being made that the creation of the Federal Reserve was directly responsible for the Great Depression.
And to whoever said Social Security was a positive side-effect, I can't disagree more. Social(ist) Security is WAY less efficient than privately investing, it sickens me that Uncle Sam thinks he should take my money and invest it for me. If that gov't can't trust me to be wise enough to handle my own retirement finances, why the HELL should I trust the gov't at all?