Thread: USA cartoon

Originally Posted by Rayzor

ok ok im sorry

ill rephrase that

with all due respect, they say propaganda doesn't work on us highlly inteligemunt Americans

It appears that your only intent with this thread was to rile people up as opposed to having any civil discourse!

Try your game else where Sir!

There is no correlation between the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan, and the acts of the radical terrorists. None whatsoever! Two nations were at war, declared war, and we did what was required to win, and save American lives. Look at the invasion of Iwo Jima, and the devastation which was wrought on that small island, and then try to imagine the sheer devastation which would have ensued if we were required to physically invade Japan. I feel that the atomic bombs, as devastating as they were, actually saved lives, from both countries.

Matt

Originally Posted by mhailey

There is no correlation between the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan, and the acts of the radical terrorists. None whatsoever! ...imagine the sheer devastation which would have ensued if we were required to physically invade Japan. I feel that the atomic bombs, as devastating as they were, actually saved lives, from both countries.

this is testament to excellent marketing aka propaganda of our US government

army genral and president dwight eisenhower said:

"...and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."



navy admiral chester nimitz said:

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan."



General MacArthur has said that Japan would have surrendered before the bombings if the US had notified Japan that it would accept a surrender that allowed the Emperor to keep his title as leader of Japan, a condition the U.S. did in fact allow after Japan surrendered.

Originally Posted by Rayzor

this is testament to excellent marketing aka propaganda of our US government

Tell that to my grandfather who fought on Iwo.

my grandpa died in omaha beach

i respect and am very thankful of the sacrafice so many have made for us to enjoy life

i hope we can someday enjoy life without such mass murder as jewish holocost, or nuclear bombs on japan, invade iraq, etc, etc, etc, etc

Originally Posted by Rayzor

my grandpa died in omaha beach

i respect and am very thankful of the sacrafice so many have made for us to enjoy life

i hope we can someday enjoy life without such mass murder as jewish holocost, or nuclear bombs on japan, invade iraq, etc, etc, etc, etc

You go from jerk to nice guy and back again fairly easily don't you? Or am I misreading you?

Originally Posted by JMS

You go from jerk to nice guy and back again fairly easily don't you? Or am I misreading you?

i do not mean to be jerk just dont like ignorance as it can cost so much suffering

This is your second moderator warning. The tone of this thread is quickly devolving into name-calling and personal attacks. If this continues the thread will be closed.

Originally Posted by JMS

It appears that your only intent with this thread was to rile people up as opposed to having any civil discourse!

Try your game else where Sir!

I'll +1 that. Almost all of his posts are here in this thread, uncivil, and not even thought out.

We have discussions here at SRP. Not one sided, flame bait arguments. All I get from your posts are "yeah, well you're wrong and I'm right." State your opinion on the matter- there's nothing wrong with that. However, stating it such that it doesn't add any substance to the thread and incites strong words is wrong.

I don't claim to know everything about the Eastern Theater, but from my research, it was well done and for good reason. It left no doubt in anyone's mind as to what we could do. We could have dropped them on bigger cities, but didn't.

As far as the pilots and crew are concerned, maybe they didn't know the true extent of the damage (maybe). The fact that they would defend their actions in recent years when they could know and see exactly what happened speaks volumes to me. These guys weren't stupid though. They felt the blast in their planes, I'm sure they could get an idea of what was going on down on the ground.

The cartoon...well, it's a cartoon. We're not Muslims in France for god's sake. I don't agree with it, but that's the beautiful thing about this country. That sort of speech is protected, even if we don't agree with it.