Thread: USA cartoon

Originally Posted by JMS

It appears that your only intent with this thread was to rile people up as opposed to having any civil discourse!

Try your game else where Sir!

I'll +1 that. Almost all of his posts are here in this thread, uncivil, and not even thought out.

We have discussions here at SRP. Not one sided, flame bait arguments. All I get from your posts are "yeah, well you're wrong and I'm right." State your opinion on the matter- there's nothing wrong with that. However, stating it such that it doesn't add any substance to the thread and incites strong words is wrong.

I don't claim to know everything about the Eastern Theater, but from my research, it was well done and for good reason. It left no doubt in anyone's mind as to what we could do. We could have dropped them on bigger cities, but didn't.

As far as the pilots and crew are concerned, maybe they didn't know the true extent of the damage (maybe). The fact that they would defend their actions in recent years when they could know and see exactly what happened speaks volumes to me. These guys weren't stupid though. They felt the blast in their planes, I'm sure they could get an idea of what was going on down on the ground.

The cartoon...well, it's a cartoon. We're not Muslims in France for god's sake. I don't agree with it, but that's the beautiful thing about this country. That sort of speech is protected, even if we don't agree with it.

I'm glad we can be mature enough to not degrade a discussion into a spitting match.
Mark added a very interesting perspective about the japanese people at that time. I'm sure most of you will be very proud if your country has such willpower.

Deploying nuclear bombs was a political decision and the politicians who made it bear the responsibility for it. Perhaps by the standards of those days it was perfectly justified. Although note that virtually all scientists who created these weapons and knew exactly what would happen, later were most instrumental in shaping the US policies trying to minimize the chances that they be used again.

And of course a political cartoon is just that, I'd be very worried about anybody who thinks a cartoon can ever be a true representation the reality.

gugi,


upstate ny ? ...do you pick your feet in poughkeepsie?









-this is not insult, but from famous movie-

no, not at all - the fingerlakes would be it. although it's the second time in two months that i hear poughkeepsie referred to as 'upstate' - in my book it's a stroll just outside of the city


i'm pretty hard to be insulted too, perhaps because a lot of american references are just lost on me

you are familiar with movie?

you know to new yorker (city) any thing in ny state north of manhattan is upstate!

i guess SUNY or cornell no?

Originally Posted by Rayzor

gugi,


upstate ny ? ...do you pick your feet in poughkeepsie?









-this is not insult, but from famous movie-

Just to derail this thread for a bit here, "The French Connection" has got to be one of the most over rated movies of all time. It was on TV a few months back and I made a point of staying up to watch it. I'll just say this, I wish I could get those two hours of my life back.

Back on topic, Rayzor, are you aware of the Imperial Japanese Army's actions in Manchuria and Nanking? Have you ever heard of Unit 731, The Batan Death March, or Pearl Harbor? I think it might help you put the bombing of Japan in a better context if you did.

It doesn't really bother me when someone who has done a serious study of the war in the Pacific objects to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but when someone makes flip remarks about the motives of the men who made those decisions without any sort of real research to back it up, it begins to sound inflamitory. Often, people who participate in forums like this will make posts that are written in the form of a question, but seem calculated to provoke an angry response from others. They defend themselves by saying that they are "just asking a question", but in reality, the question is a thinly veiled disparagement of the integrety and intelligence of others. In other forums, this is simply called "JAQing off," because it in no way contributes to the discussion, in fact, it just creates animosity. Some of your remarks seem similar to this tactic, I'm sorry to say.

If you feel that the US goveernment was acting immorally by those actions, I'm perfectly willing to listen to your reasoning, and you may even sway my opinion. I think that some very bright people feel the same as you do, but don't expect anyone here to show you any respect if you aren't able to articulate your thoughts in a respectful manner.

Just wanted to point out that Rayzor is banned and cannot respond. I think the mods did great job with that and we should just move on and ignore whatever inflamatory comments were made.

And I just thought there isn't anything else I'd be adding to this topic anyways
But yeah I like that threads remain open and just die when people find no more value in them.

Originally Posted by gugi

Just wanted to point out that Rayzor is banned and cannot respond.

I believe it was only a 24 hour ban as he's no longer listed as a banned user.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Have you ever heard of Unit 731

Nope, but now I have. That's a very interesting and disgusting read

That's horrible. It's difficult to imagine that people could do those things to other people. I have heard of some of the things that were done to the Chinese, but this is the first I've ever heard of Unit 731, and their experiments.
Very sad.

I lived in Germany for a few years. While there I visited a couple of the concentration camps (now museums). Those visits were very sobering, and sad also.

Take care,
Mitch